Brock Lesnar Vs. Mir

[Hardball]

Tim Silvia UFC 81http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x496ua_tim-sylvia-vs-antonio-minotauro-nog_sport

[treelizard]

I was really excited to see such good technical jits beat out sheer force time and again during the fights yesterday. Maybe BJJ is where it's at and I should be training that instead of no-gi.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Originally Posted by treelizard

I was really excited to see such good technical jits beat out sheer force time and again during the fights yesterday. Maybe BJJ is where it's at and I should be training that instead of no-gi.

You have no happy and proud I was that night. I stood up and clapped when Mir won that fight. You underestimate no-gi, we can still beat big guys without the gi on, just gotta know what to go for .

[DickHardman]

the gi is a great training tool, as well as a weapon. it teaches you how to manipulate your clothing as well as the clothing of your opponents to your advantage. not using the gi means you miss out on a whole lot.

a guy who uses the gi, can take it off and still be able to roll without it, though a guy who has never trained with the gi puts it on, he is going to have a hard time utilizing it.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Originally Posted by DickHardman

the gi is a great training tool, as well as a weapon. it teaches you how to manipulate your clothing as well as the clothing of your opponents to your advantage. not using the gi means you miss out on a whole lot.

a guy who uses the gi, can take it off and still be able to roll without it, though a guy who has never trained with the gi puts it on, he is going to have a hard time utilizing it.

I'm gonna have to argue that. The gi definitely has its perks and benefits (emphasize technique, and use of clothing like you said, etc.) but so does no-gi. It actually goes both ways for your last argument, a no-gi person who rolls gi will no doubt get destroyed by someone who practices regularly with gi. However, I've seen a lot of bluebelts get destroyed by whitebelts in no-gi simply because the whitebelts have rolled no-gi more than them.

As a final comment, if you're switching from no-gi to gi, one of the things you'll notice is that your submissions will be so much tighter since you're normally used to applying submissions on sweat covered opponents who will slip out at the slightest opening.

[treelizard]

Originally Posted by Bjjexpertise@be

You have no happy and proud I was that night. I stood up and clapped when Mir won that fight. You underestimate no-gi, we can still beat big guys without the gi on, just gotta know what to go for .

Yeah we were all cheering too.

I train in no-gi right now with some kick ass folks, but most of the women I've trained with really recommend gi, if only because the attitude etc. in the gyms is more positive.

[treelizard]

Yeah, I know a dude who trains no-gi who was beating brown belts when he tried his hand at gi the very first night.

[DickHardman]

believe in the gi my friends.......just as you believe in me....

[fire cobra]

Punching in the head changes things as much or more than the gi or no gi debate.

Did you see brocks ground and pound?! wtf! small hammerfists inefective for him,however i dont think he should of been warned for the back of the head blow,that probably lost him the fight.

[DJColdfusion]

Submitting to the leg attack cost him the fight.

Gi VS No-Gi debate: Look at the ADCC. How many medalists were primarily GI players and how many were primarily No-Gi players? Its not even close. Gi players are winning 90% + of the time.

Gi VS No-Gi in MMA, as it was said before, the Gi is a great training tool. Just think about defending submissions.

Most No-Gi players defend an armbar from the bottom by just trying to rip it out, depending on their own sweat and explosiveness to secure the escape rather than working on technique. Try that with a Gi on and your opponent will end up taking your arm home and giving it to his kids to play with. And sooner or later you are going to find someone who knows how to counter your "grip it and rip it" arm bar defense.

The Gi player has to deal with additional grips while watching their spacing, checking their blocks, and defending counters. When they learn to defend the arm bar properly they can transfer that skill directly to no-gi and then, even if they are confronted with someone who can counter the "grip and rip" defense, they can still escape and push their game forward.

[Tant01]

It's no secret that I especially enjoy leg locks. I was hoping Brock would crush Mir but that was one sweet (slick) sweep and transition into the submission.

Probably the best Judo I've seen in some time.

[Jujujason]

I think Brock's loss should be chalked up to inexperience. With more time, he's going to become a helluva entertaining mma athlete, especially considering his coaches (Greg Nelson & Erik Paulson). I saw him wrestle when I was at the University of Iowa and he was an animal. It's nice to see Mir back on a winning track, though. As for the gi/no-gi debate, if you were smart, you'd do both. That being said, I think the ratio of each should be determined by the geographic location and season of where you're training. Midwesterners and upper Atlantic residents or wintertime equates to more clothing. Southerners, west coast residents and summertime equate to less clothing. Be prepared.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Originally Posted by DJColdfusion

Submitting to the leg attack cost him the fight.

Gi VS No-Gi debate: Look at the ADCC. How many medalists were primarily GI players and how many were primarily No-Gi players? Its not even close. Gi players are winning 90% + of the time.

Gi VS No-Gi in MMA, as it was said before, the Gi is a great training tool. Just think about defending submissions.

Most No-Gi players defend an armbar from the bottom by just trying to rip it out, depending on their own sweat and explosiveness to secure the escape rather than working on technique. Try that with a Gi on and your opponent will end up taking your arm home and giving it to his kids to play with. And sooner or later you are going to find someone who knows how to counter your "grip it and rip it" arm bar defense.

The Gi player has to deal with additional grips while watching their spacing, checking their blocks, and defending counters. When they learn to defend the arm bar properly they can transfer that skill directly to no-gi and then, even if they are confronted with someone who can counter the "grip and rip" defense, they can still escape and push their game forward.

I'd like to note that we're not trying to argue which is better, gi or no-gi, since they both have their merits. But I must say this about the bashing of no-gi.

Saying most no-gi players defend armbars by simply yanking their arm out is a lie. However, since no-gi is an entirely different beast, that IS one of the options available to them. If their elbow is out past their hip, they can yank it out without any consequences, and plus it'll get their arm out before the armbarr-er can reestablish his hip position on the arm. Also, if they can simpy pull out of an armbar like that, that tells you that the armbar was too loose in the first place. Gi is a more slow paced game than no-gi. There are a lot less handles so you're going to have to stick to your opponent like glue too maintain position and explode into submissions a lot quicker. Also, since no-gi folks don't have the luxury of more handles and increased friction, they have to emphasize a lot tighter and quicker submissions.

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by Tant01

It's no secret that I especially enjoy leg locks. I was hoping Brock would crush Mir but that was one sweet (slick) sweep and transition into the submission.

Probably the best Judo I've seen in some time.

It looked like the pain was on his achillies tendon?

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by Hardball

It looked like the pain was on his achillies tendon?

I didn't look close but the torque is (supposed to be) on the knee...