MMA is Not Self Defense!

[Garland]

Originally Posted by migo

They didn't call it MMA then. When anyone's talking about MMA it's in the context of the last 15 years.

I fail to see your point. Why don't you spell out why you think this distinction is important.

[migo]

When people talk MMA, they're clearly not talking about any of the other arts that are mixes (Judo, Kajukenbo, Hapkido, Krav Maga). Sure they were mixing things, but it's not MMA as a 3 letter acronym. MMA is what has developed as a result of the UFC. Judo isn't MMA, it's a mixed martial art but it's not Mixed Martial Arts. Kajukenbo isn't MMA it's a mixed martial art, but it's not Mixed Martial Arts. Hapkido... you get the idea. Nobody means Judo, Kajukenbo, Hapkido, Krav Maga or anything that was developed before 1993 (with the exception of Shooto) when they say MMA. The term didn't exist before the mid nineties, and it either means training in multiple styles concurrently to get the best of each range (Judo is training a single style and only covers 1.5 ranges, Kajukenbo is a single style while covering all 3 ranges, etc. they're still single styles), or it means the type of competition where predominantly people who train in such a fashion compete (but like Judo, wrestling, Sambo, BJJ and such can have people with different training bacgrounds competing).

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by migo

When people talk MMA, they're clearly not talking about any of the other arts that are mixes ....
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MMA. The term didn't exist before the mid nineties, and it either means training in multiple styles concurrently to get the best of each range (Judo is training a single style and only covers 1.5 ranges, Kajukenbo is a single style while covering all 3 ranges, etc. they're still single styles), or it means the type of competition where predominantly people who train in such a fashion compete (but like Judo, wrestling, Sambo, BJJ and such can have people with different training bacgrounds competing).

You seem to know a lot about MMA... How old is that rule for submission where the guy taps out? Where did it come from?

Thanks Migo

[TTEscrima]

Originally Posted by migo

TTE: That's quite fascinating that you could peg what training background they had based on where they got in fights. Do you have any insight into what influenced that?

It wasn't my list, it was the sum of the observations made by the Master Chief based on his 30 plus years experience.

He pointed out that the type of art a person chose said a lot about their personality. He also made it clear that while people can't be pigeon holed we could use the chart as a primer to further our own studies of people.

Judo people tend to be cool headed and don't start trouble. IE:They don't hear someone discussing their art and rush over to belittle everyone else's choices.

Boxers tend to be a little more outgoing hence more likely to be at the club, the boxer also usually preempted the BS with a quick flurry of punches and left and unless drinking (the club and barracks) usually didn't get into fights.

Wrestlers often have condescending attitudes and think they know it all, add that to a hot head and you find them starting shit with people over nothing, hence the fights in the mess hall. IE: Some people need to add alcohol to become an instant asshole, wrestlers just need to wake up.

Dojo darlings use their supposed expertise in the arts to pick up chicks so they're usually the ones getting their ass kicked in the club or base housing trying to impress the girls.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by TTEscrima

.... Some people need to add alcohol to become an instant asshole, wrestlers just need to wake up.

Dojo darlings use their supposed expertise in the arts to pick up chicks so they're usually the ones getting their ass kicked in the club or base housing trying to impress the girls.

................

Thanks for sharing your expertise... (and humor!)

[kingoftheforest]

Tant and TTE I tried to pos rep you both but I have to spread "it" around some first.

Unfortunately W.H.O says if I spread it around anymore they'll have to create a vaccine.

[Tant01]

I'm in the same boat.... I just hate the red pills.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by TTEscrima

It wasn't my list, it was the sum of the observations made by the Master Chief based on his 30 plus years experience.

He pointed out that the type of art a person chose said a lot about their personality. He also made it clear that while people can't be pigeon holed we could use the chart as a primer to further our own studies of people.

Judo people tend to be cool headed and don't start trouble. IE:They don't hear someone discussing their art and rush over to belittle everyone else's choices.

Boxers tend to be a little more outgoing hence more likely to be at the club, the boxer also usually preempted the BS with a quick flurry of punches and left and unless drinking (the club and barracks) usually didn't get into fights.

Wrestlers often have condescending attitudes and think they know it all, add that to a hot head and you find them starting shit with people over nothing, hence the fights in the mess hall. IE: Some people need to add alcohol to become an instant asshole, wrestlers just need to wake up.

Dojo darlings use their supposed expertise in the arts to pick up chicks so they're usually the ones getting their ass kicked in the club or base housing trying to impress the girls.

And JKD guys or muaythai fighters?

[TTEscrima]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

And JKD guys or muaythai fighters?

Didn't make the list. I don't think there are enough of either Navy wide to make much of an impression while boxing, wrestling, Judo, TKD and Kung Fu (especially in the Specwar community) are all over the fleet.

[Tant01]

Tom... All swearing and sailor talk aside I hope you have an opportunity to hook up with some serious old school guys.

Chances are good that it will be highly unauthorized and fairly brutal but the flavor of H2H will vary from Judo to silat.

When I play that we called it "therapy" among other things. Seriously ramped up randori, CQC or whatever they call it now days.

Years ago (in my service days) JKD was a "bad word" (among those guys) that got little but snide comments about that "pinko" BL and his fancy TV BS... He's just an actor...blah,blah,blah break his scronny neck...
Thai fighters were good sports for the most part, respected but not revered or feared.
Kali on the other hand... Stick fighters could be a real pain.

Once, when I went to Cebu...

ahhh, nevermind.

Enjoy your adventure buddy!

[migo]

Originally Posted by Tant01

You seem to know a lot about MMA... How old is that rule for submission where the guy taps out? Where did it come from?

Thanks Migo

And that's relevant to the age of MMA how? MMA obviously draws almost everything from pre-existing arts. That doesn't mean any of the pre-existing arts are MMA (again, except for Shooto) despite any of the similarities. There are also differences, and it's those differences that make them not MMA. Crosstraining isn't new, mixing styles isn't new. Hell, people like saying Pankration is the original MMA, but you look at Pankration then and MMA now, and there's a distinct lack of guard work. It's similar, it's not the same thing.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by migo

And that's relevant to the age of MMA how?

In the "age of MMA" there are what? Like three or four WAYS to WIN?

KO. Obvious enough.

Ref stops the fight. He has some discretion in the outcome.

TAP OUT. The contender submits by "TAPPING" his opponent or the MAT to signal his surrender.

Doctor or corner can throw in the towel, eh?

Just wondering if you could fill in the gap buddy...

Thanks kindly.

[migo]

Judges decision is a big one you're missing. Corner throwing in the towel is actually considered a foul now, resulting in disqualification, but that's a quibble. The doctor just calls for the fight to be stopped, although it's the ref's discretion when the doctor gets to make that call.

Is that what you were wondering?

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by migo

Judges decision is a big one you're missing. Corner throwing in the towel is actually considered a foul now, resulting in disqualification, but that's a quibble. The doctor just calls for the fight to be stopped, although it's the ref's discretion when the doctor gets to make that call.

Is that what you were wondering?

Yeah... points and stuff... D'oh! LOL No contest could also be considered a "victory"..., actually my question was "How old is that rule for submission where the guy taps out? Where did it come from?"

Thanks Migo

[migo]

It's at least 100 years old, and has shown up in different variations almost 3000 years ago. I still don't see what you're getting at. It seems that you're trying to suggest that MMA is as old as the tap out, but that really doesn't make any sense.