MMA is Not Self Defense!

[TTEscrima]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

And JKD guys or muaythai fighters?

Didn't make the list. I don't think there are enough of either Navy wide to make much of an impression while boxing, wrestling, Judo, TKD and Kung Fu (especially in the Specwar community) are all over the fleet.

[Tant01]

Tom... All swearing and sailor talk aside I hope you have an opportunity to hook up with some serious old school guys.

Chances are good that it will be highly unauthorized and fairly brutal but the flavor of H2H will vary from Judo to silat.

When I play that we called it "therapy" among other things. Seriously ramped up randori, CQC or whatever they call it now days.

Years ago (in my service days) JKD was a "bad word" (among those guys) that got little but snide comments about that "pinko" BL and his fancy TV BS... He's just an actor...blah,blah,blah break his scronny neck...
Thai fighters were good sports for the most part, respected but not revered or feared.
Kali on the other hand... Stick fighters could be a real pain.

Once, when I went to Cebu...

ahhh, nevermind.

Enjoy your adventure buddy!

[migo]

Originally Posted by Tant01

You seem to know a lot about MMA... How old is that rule for submission where the guy taps out? Where did it come from?

Thanks Migo

And that's relevant to the age of MMA how? MMA obviously draws almost everything from pre-existing arts. That doesn't mean any of the pre-existing arts are MMA (again, except for Shooto) despite any of the similarities. There are also differences, and it's those differences that make them not MMA. Crosstraining isn't new, mixing styles isn't new. Hell, people like saying Pankration is the original MMA, but you look at Pankration then and MMA now, and there's a distinct lack of guard work. It's similar, it's not the same thing.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by migo

And that's relevant to the age of MMA how?

In the "age of MMA" there are what? Like three or four WAYS to WIN?

KO. Obvious enough.

Ref stops the fight. He has some discretion in the outcome.

TAP OUT. The contender submits by "TAPPING" his opponent or the MAT to signal his surrender.

Doctor or corner can throw in the towel, eh?

Just wondering if you could fill in the gap buddy...

Thanks kindly.

[migo]

Judges decision is a big one you're missing. Corner throwing in the towel is actually considered a foul now, resulting in disqualification, but that's a quibble. The doctor just calls for the fight to be stopped, although it's the ref's discretion when the doctor gets to make that call.

Is that what you were wondering?

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by migo

Judges decision is a big one you're missing. Corner throwing in the towel is actually considered a foul now, resulting in disqualification, but that's a quibble. The doctor just calls for the fight to be stopped, although it's the ref's discretion when the doctor gets to make that call.

Is that what you were wondering?

Yeah... points and stuff... D'oh! LOL No contest could also be considered a "victory"..., actually my question was "How old is that rule for submission where the guy taps out? Where did it come from?"

Thanks Migo

[migo]

It's at least 100 years old, and has shown up in different variations almost 3000 years ago. I still don't see what you're getting at. It seems that you're trying to suggest that MMA is as old as the tap out, but that really doesn't make any sense.

[Mike Brewer]

I think the official list is:

• Knock Out
• Technical Knock Out (strictly according to the rules, this is what happens if a corner or the doctor stops the fight, or if a fighter quits on his stool as well as if the fight is stopped by a referee mid-action)
• Submission
• Decision (Split or Unanimous)
• Disqualification

The other outcomes are:

• No Contest (Fight is stopped because of a breach of rules or incident that is of no fault of either fighter but keeps the fight from continuing under the agreed-upon rules of the contest)
• Draw

All except submission are true of boxing as well. If a fighter cannot continue, whether it's because of a cut, doctor stoppage - whatever - the ruling SHOULD BE "Technical Knock Out."

I think that covers it...

[migo]

There's also majority decision, which would be something like 29-28, 29-28, 29-29.

Unofficially there's also pre-determined outcomes, which is when you try to pass an MMA event off as a pro-wrestling event in a state that doesn't allow MMA and you have to provide the athletic commission with the results beforehand for them not to shut you down.

[Mike Brewer]

That's included in split decision. Split decisions are any decision that's not unanimous. From BoxRec.com:

A split decision occurs when two of the three judging officials decide in favor of one boxer, while the third official deems the opponent the winner. A split decision officially is recorded as a win in a boxer's fight record. (Compare majority decision.)

Retrieved from "http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Split_decision"

I figured since there's no way to have a split decision and not have it be a majority - assuming three judges - that was self-explanatory. If it was one and one with one even, the fight would be a draw. So it's either a split decision, a unanimous decision, or a draw. I see what you mean, though. I think the official classification is still split - at least in boxing terms.

Colloquial usage is different, and in that sense, you're absolutely right.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by migo

It's at least 100 years old, and has shown up in different variations almost 3000 years ago. I still don't see what you're getting at. It seems that you're trying to suggest that MMA is as old as the tap out, but that really doesn't make any sense.

If the RULES define the game?

Little has changed but the names of things...

New name, same game. MMA is just the latest spin on Judo (to me). Randori with striking!(atemi) Tapping out was a rule from Kano jujutsu tournament rules...Symbolic "death"...

I've been waiting for this since the late 1970's...

Yay for Ultimate fighting, NHB...MMA Whatever you like to call it? Vale Tudo, K-1 Pride etc.

The combat sport is one of my favorite games...I don't consider myself a "FAN" but it's fun to watch.

Like boxing with kicking and grappling and throwing and finishing holds...Sweet!

[Garland]

...I just thought this clip may be an interesting and pertinent case study...obviously it's still not a real fight, but it's world-class mma in a different setting. I like see MMA taken out of the octagon and put in backyards and concrete sidewalks...with tiki torches.

http://youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=8y8noDJq0X0

**** Dana White's commentary...this is a better show of athleticism and real world application.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Tant01

Tom... All swearing and sailor talk aside I hope you have an opportunity to hook up with some serious old school guys.

Chances are good that it will be highly unauthorized and fairly brutal but the flavor of H2H will vary from Judo to silat.

When I play that we called it "therapy" among other things. Seriously ramped up randori, CQC or whatever they call it now days.

I'm meeting lots of folks who study MAs in the Navy and Marines, from a lot of different backgrounds. Safety, believe it or not, is are biggest concern.

I'm stoked!

Originally Posted by Tant01

Years ago (in my service days) JKD was a "bad word" (among those guys) that got little but snide comments about that "pinko" BL and his fancy TV BS... He's just an actor...blah,blah,blah break his scronny neck...
Thai fighters were good sports for the most part, respected but not revered or feared.
Kali on the other hand... Stick fighters could be a real pain.

Once, when I went to Cebu...

ahhh, nevermind.

Enjoy your adventure buddy!

Thanks, Tant!

[ninjashoes]

of course MMA isnt designed for a street situation but if adapted right it can be more effective than anything else imo

[GQchris]

That's okay, I got a can of whoop ass ready to give to someone that gives me reason to.