MMA is Not Self Defense!

[taoistscholar]

Originally Posted by Garland

As opposed to what, ugly looking dance routines in pajamas?

you got it

[Garland]

Originally Posted by taoistscholar

you got it

eh...to each their own.

Break paradigms down how you'd like, but angry white pajamas won't help you getting the shit beat out of you any more than combat sport training...in fact with the mma's at least you're used to fighting.
As for combatives and RBSD...most of it is arm chair quarterbacking for weekend warriors...

it's the individual that makes the shit work...

and thank god most people suck at life...everybody thinks they can fight...I love it.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by Garland

eh...to each their own.

Break paradigms down how you'd like, but angry white pajamas won't help you getting the shit beat out of you any more than combat sport training...in fact with the mma's at least you're used to fighting.
As for combatives and RBSD...most of it is arm chair quarterbacking for weekend warriors...

it's the individual that makes the shit work...

and thank god most people suck at life...everybody thinks they can fight...I love it.

You'll love it until you lose count of all the POS you pommel and choke...

Trust me, it gets old too... Especially if you get scars in the process,

[taoistscholar]

Originally Posted by Garland

eh...to each their own.

and thank god most people suck at life...everybody thinks they can fight...I love it.

I dont think i can fight

[DSA]

Originally Posted by taoistscholar

you are right, my bad.
You think there are far more who look at the self defense/street aspect than those who look at it as a sport?
to me when i think MMA i see stuff like UFC. This is the direction MMA has shifted towards.
If i google search "MMA", majority of the sites and pics are sport fights. or UFC-like competitions and this is what i mean when i say "majority". I have nothing against it but is this martial arts?

If you feel it is tell me why.

UFC IS THE CLOSEST SPORT TOO A REAL FIGHT! IT HAS THE THREE ELEMENTS OF COMBAT: STAND UP, TAKE DOWN, AND GROUND. TAKE AWAY THE RULES AND YOU HAVE ONE DEADLY ART! DOES YOUR ART OF CHOICE HAVE THE THREE ELEMENTS OF COMBAT, IF NOT YOU NEED TO FIND OTHER ART.

[DickHardman]

Originally Posted by DSA

UFC IS THE CLOSEST SPORT TOO A REAL FIGHT! IT HAS THE THREE ELEMENTS OF COMBAT: STAND UP, TAKE DOWN, AND GROUND. TAKE AWAY THE RULES AND YOU HAVE ONE DEADLY ART! DOES YOUR ART OF CHOICE HAVE THE THREE ELEMENTS OF COMBAT, IF NOT YOU NEED TO FIND OTHER ART.

forgot weapons.

plus, your art doesnt need to have all. you could train each range/area individually to get really good at them one at a time.

[DSA]

Originally Posted by DickHardman

forgot weapons.

plus, your art doesnt need to have all. you could train each range/area individually to get really good at them one at a time.

To be well rounded, you need the three elements: STAND UP, TAKE DOWN, and GROUND. As for weapons go, they are apart of the three elements. You just have to incorporate them into your training. DO NOT LIMIT YOURSELF TO JUST ONE STYLE! (EXPAND AND BECOME WELL ROUNDED IN THE ARTS.)

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Talking in caps doesn't exactly help you win over people's opinion of you.

[DSA]

[quote=Bjjexpertise@be;301710]Talking in caps doesn't exactly help you win over people's opinion of you.[ Was I talking or was I wrighting in caps? Does your art have the three elements of combat or is bjj just another name for judo!

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Heh it's pointless to try to train all aspects of combat until you at least specialize in one. A master of none who sucks equally at everything is what you'll get if you try to thrust someone into all aspects of an art. Even the best MMA fighters that have well rounded games specialized in an element before expanding to cover areas (Anderson Silva, Fedor, etc).

Does your art have the three elements of combat or is bjj just another name for judo!

I hope you'll clarify your questions in the future. Right now your question reads the same as, "Did you ride the bus to school this morning or did you pack your own lunch?"
Does my art cover all 3 elements of combat? Hell no. No-Gi grappling is what I do and what I specialize at. Have I dabbled in wrestling? Hell yes, 3 years worth. It definitely isn't my forte but I took the time to learn from it as much as I can. Have I dabbled in striking? Of course.
All 3 of these I learned independent of one another besides occasionally doing full contact sparring or drills. It is ridiculous to try to cluster all these aspects together and teach them all at once to someone new, you'd just end up having them suck at everything.
Sure, I'm definitely not arguing that BJJ is derived from Judo.

Was I talking or was I wrighting in caps?

Oh are we going to be politically correct now? You definitely weren't talking in caps, my mistake. However, I'm sure as hell you're not "wrighting" or even writing in caps, you're typing.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

I forget to ask, what exactly are your credentials, DSA? I'm rather curious.
You seem to be intent on repeating the whole "MMA is supreme for we have 3 elements!" over and over.

[DSA]

Originally Posted by Bjjexpertise@be

Heh it's pointless to try to train all aspects of combat until you at least specialize in one. A master of none who sucks equally at everything is what you'll get if you try to thrust someone into all aspects of an art. Even the best MMA fighters that have well rounded games specialized in an element before expanding to cover areas (Anderson Silva, Fedor, etc).


I hope you'll clarify your questions in the future. Right now your question reads the same as, "Did you ride the bus to school this morning or did you pack your own lunch?"
Does my art cover all 3 elements of combat? Hell no. No-Gi grappling is what I do and what I specialize at. Have I dabbled in wrestling? Hell yes, 3 years worth. It definitely isn't my forte but I took the time to learn from it as much as I can. Have I dabbled in striking? Of course.
All 3 of these I learned independent of one another besides occasionally doing full contact sparring or drills. It is ridiculous to try to cluster all these aspects together and teach them all at once to someone new, you'd just end up having them suck at everything.
Sure, I'm definitely not arguing that BJJ is derived from Judo.


Oh are we going to be politically correct now? You definitely weren't talking in caps, my mistake. However, I'm sure as hell you're not "wrighting" or even writing in caps, you're typing.

EXCELLENT: It sounds like your on the right track to be well rounded in your art. And yes you are right, you should master at lease one art before staring another. My art for the last four years is judo, but for the last ten years I"ve study karate. Sorry if I got you a little hot under the collar, I just wanted to spread the word on the three elements of combat, and get some feedback on it.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by DSA

Was I talking or was I wrighting in caps? Does your art have the three elements of combat or is bjj just another name for judo!

I don't think much of your "elemental triad"...It leaves out a psychological element but Brazilian "Jiu-Jitsu" is just another name for judo...

[ShawnJKD]

So...back to the question "What is MMA?" I think defining what MMA exactly is will help avoid some of the confusion in this thread.

Going back a few years to when the term "MMA" started to be used in conjunction with things like UFC the term seemed to refer to a mix of Thai Boxing and BJJ - with some Judo, Wrestling, or Boxing being a part of the game. MMA fighters were guys who trained in those arts seperately but combined their use in the cage (or ring). Now I hear more MMA people saying that the term refers to training in elements of those styles in a combined system that stands on its own - that only "outdated" fighters continue to train base systems on their own (though they may have come from one of them).

We now have classes and even schools that teach MMA, and not Thai Boxing and BJJ.

As an example: A few years ago in Toronto there was an event called the MMA Expo, and at that time it was a showcase of all martial arts - everything from Aikido and Judo, through Karate and kickboxing (including Savate), and on to less mainstream arts like Irish stick fighting, various FMA's, and some Jeet Kune Do. Now, a few years later, that same event is very much focused only on the sporting related aspects of the term.

So, if we were to continue to discuss "MMA is not self-defense" we would need an agreed upon definition of what MMA is - otherwise there are misunderstandings that take away from any meaningful discussion. ie "MMA has weapons..."

It should also be clear that the argument is not about whether an MMA fighter can defend himself with his/her skills - I think most of us agree that they can do so (though I also know that some disagree but that would be another topic and highly subjective).

Shawn (trying to see if there is still a topic worth discussing in this mess) :-)

[DSA]

Originally Posted by Tant01

I don't think much of your "elemental triad"...It leaves out a psychological element but Brazilian "Jiu-Jitsu" is just another name for judo...

With repetition and randori of the three elements, atemi waza, nage waza, and katame waza, the psychological element is found and developed. Judo is a great base for all other martial arts. Atemi waza is the only element missing from judo to made it complete. The same with karate, it's missing katame waza.