Shamrock & Le

Mike Brewer · 03-29-2008, 08:04 PM

I'm amazed no one is talking about this one. Getting ready to start in a few. Any picks?

Tom Yum · 03-29-2008, 08:42 PM

I'd say Shamrock by submission since Shamrock is more experienced as a MMA fighter than Le.

I think it will be a good fight, still.

Shamrock will try to close on Le right away since Le likes to stand up; Le will put up some decent takedown defenses and keep it standing up. Le and Shamrock will go toe to toe for a bit and have some great stand up exchanges maybe Le landing a few good ones, but Shamrock will eventually get him to the ground.

Le and Shamrock will mix it up on the ground, with Shamrock getting the better of him by submission.

DickHardman · 03-29-2008, 08:54 PM

some interesting info : cung le trains at american kickboxing academy under javier mendez and company for mma preparation, the gym shamrock used to train at

theres a bit more to this match that meets the eye.

Mike Brewer · 03-29-2008, 09:07 PM

Cung apparently used to really manhandle Shamrock at those sessions, too. Of course, that was a long time ago...

I'm taking Shamrock on the ground. I give takedowns and striking to Cung, but Shamrock's takedowns actually are better for MMA. So really, this is a match between a decent striker who's also a good grappler against a good striker who's also a decent grappler.

Tom Yum · 03-29-2008, 09:50 PM

I'm keeping track at Sherdog

Mike Brewer · 03-29-2008, 10:25 PM

Unexpected result, but way to go Cung Le! Maybe in the rematch Shamrock will play to his strengths!

Tom Yum · 03-29-2008, 10:31 PM

Play by play from sherdog:

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=12054

"Round 1
Le landed a kick to the body and shook off a takedown attempt from Shamrock. Frank landed a kick to the midsection that was answered by a left hand from Le. Cung opened up with his hands and connected with a right. Le kicked Shamrock in the face with his left foot as Frank bent over. Shamrok kicked lightly at the inside of Le's lead leg. Le went for a wild spinning back kick to the head and slipped. Shamrock rushed in and landed a knee that caused Le's lip to bleed. Shamrock finished strong with a punching flurry as time expired.

Tony Loiseleur scored the round 10-9 Cung Le
TJ De Santis scored the round 10-9 Cung Le
Mike Fridley scored the round 10-9 Cung Le

Round 2
Le ejected Shamrock's mouthpiece was a grazing kick. A lead left hand landed for Le, which was countered by a kick to the body. Frank taunted Cung as bruising started to show on the right side of his own face. The pace slowed as both fighters exchanged a few low kicks. Le pushed Shamrock backward with a kick to the body and a right hook that blasted Frank. Le is keeping Shamrock at bay with kicks to the midsection when he tries to get within trading range.

Tony Loiseleur scored the round 10-9 Cung Le
TJ De Santis scored the round 10-9 Cung Le
Mike Fridley scored the round 10-9 Cung Le

Round 3
Stiff kick to the liver scored for Le early in the third frame. A left straight, right hook combo found its target from Cung Le. Body kick, left, right scored for Cung. A hard kick to the body backed Shamrock up. Spinning back fist cracked Frank. Shamrock falls after a low kick. Le is dominating midway through the third. Shamrock picked up the piece but Le's awareness and footwork is keeping him out of harm's way. Shamrock landed his best punch of the fight. Shamrock is rallying with hard punches. Le is hurt with a right hand against the fencing. Shamrock is teeing off now with well-timed counter punches. An amazing round ends with Le peppering Shamrock against the fencing with a body kick and hook punches.

Tony Loiseleur scored the round 10-9 Cung Le
TJ De Santis scored the round 10-9 Cung Le
Mike Fridley scored the round 10-9 Cung Le

The fight is over. Shamrock is unable to continue due to what is being called an arm injury. Cung Le is the new Strikeforce middleweight champion."

Well I'll be! Le took the fight to Shamrock, kept it standing up and beat him. Looking forward to the fight on video!!

Mike Brewer · 03-29-2008, 10:35 PM

They're being overly gracious calling it a "takedown attempt by Shamrock." Shamrock wanted to stand and bang with Cung, and he let go.

DickHardman · 03-29-2008, 10:37 PM

fear the side kick.

Tom Yum · 03-29-2008, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DickHardman

fear the sidekick.

Cung can make alot of stand up techniques work that most can't.

DickHardman · 03-29-2008, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

Cung can make alot of stand up techniques work that most can't.

thats only cause they are ignorant.

Pit Dog · 03-29-2008, 10:51 PM

Frank Shamrock quit, plain and simple.

Shamrock had no broken arm, what he had was a defective heart. He took a few more hard shots than what he planned on, got tired, and did not want to take any more in the next round.

I wouldn't give a dollar and a half for Shamrock.

DickHardman · 03-30-2008, 12:38 AM

http://www.mmatko.com/frank-shamrock...force-elitexc/

GQchris · 03-30-2008, 12:44 AM

Glad Le won.. Frank was running his mouth and obviously he underestimated his opponent with a so called glass chin.

JkD187 · 03-30-2008, 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pit Dog

Frank Shamrock quit, plain and simple.

Shamrock had no broken arm, what he had was a defective heart. He took a few more hard shots than what he planned on, got tired, and did not want to take any more in the next round.

I wouldn't give a dollar and a half for Shamrock.

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=757308

stick to being a keyboard warrior joe.....

03-29-2008, 08:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mike Brewer Moderate Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,167	Shamrock & Le I'm amazed no one is talking about this one. Getting ready to start in a few. Any picks?

03-29-2008, 08:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,192	I'd say Shamrock by submission since Shamrock is more experienced as a MMA fighter than Le. I think it will be a good fight, still. Shamrock will try to close on Le right away since Le likes to stand up; Le will put up some decent takedown defenses and keep it standing up. Le and Shamrock will go toe to toe for a bit and have some great stand up exchanges maybe Le landing a few good ones, but Shamrock will eventually get him to the ground. Le and Shamrock will mix it up on the ground, with Shamrock getting the better of him by submission. __________________ The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know. Slow is fast; fast is slow. Love it, leave it or fix it.

03-29-2008, 09:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,192	I'm keeping track at Sherdog __________________ The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know. Slow is fast; fast is slow. Love it, leave it or fix it.

03-29-2008, 10:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,192	Play by play from sherdog: http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=12054 "Round 1 Le landed a kick to the body and shook off a takedown attempt from Shamrock. Frank landed a kick to the midsection that was answered by a left hand from Le. Cung opened up with his hands and connected with a right. Le kicked Shamrock in the face with his left foot as Frank bent over. Shamrok kicked lightly at the inside of Le's lead leg. Le went for a wild spinning back kick to the head and slipped. Shamrock rushed in and landed a knee that caused Le's lip to bleed. Shamrock finished strong with a punching flurry as time expired. Tony Loiseleur scored the round 10-9 Cung Le TJ De Santis scored the round 10-9 Cung Le Mike Fridley scored the round 10-9 Cung Le Round 2 Le ejected Shamrock's mouthpiece was a grazing kick. A lead left hand landed for Le, which was countered by a kick to the body. Frank taunted Cung as bruising started to show on the right side of his own face. The pace slowed as both fighters exchanged a few low kicks. Le pushed Shamrock backward with a kick to the body and a right hook that blasted Frank. Le is keeping Shamrock at bay with kicks to the midsection when he tries to get within trading range. Tony Loiseleur scored the round 10-9 Cung Le TJ De Santis scored the round 10-9 Cung Le Mike Fridley scored the round 10-9 Cung Le Round 3 Stiff kick to the liver scored for Le early in the third frame. A left straight, right hook combo found its target from Cung Le. Body kick, left, right scored for Cung. A hard kick to the body backed Shamrock up. Spinning back fist cracked Frank. Shamrock falls after a low kick. Le is dominating midway through the third. Shamrock picked up the piece but Le's awareness and footwork is keeping him out of harm's way. Shamrock landed his best punch of the fight. Shamrock is rallying with hard punches. Le is hurt with a right hand against the fencing. Shamrock is teeing off now with well-timed counter punches. An amazing round ends with Le peppering Shamrock against the fencing with a body kick and hook punches. Tony Loiseleur scored the round 10-9 Cung Le TJ De Santis scored the round 10-9 Cung Le Mike Fridley scored the round 10-9 Cung Le The fight is over. Shamrock is unable to continue due to what is being called an arm injury. Cung Le is the new Strikeforce middleweight champion." Well I'll be! Le took the fight to Shamrock, kept it standing up and beat him. Looking forward to the fight on video!! __________________ The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know. Slow is fast; fast is slow. Love it, leave it or fix it.

03-29-2008, 10:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
Pit Dog Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 2,617	Quitter Frank Shamrock quit, plain and simple. Shamrock had no broken arm, what he had was a defective heart. He took a few more hard shots than what he planned on, got tired, and did not want to take any more in the next round. I wouldn't give a dollar and a half for Shamrock.

03-29-2008, 08:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
DickHardman Master Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,055	some interesting info : cung le trains at american kickboxing academy under javier mendez and company for mma preparation, the gym shamrock used to train at theres a bit more to this match that meets the eye.

03-29-2008, 09:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mike Brewer Moderate Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,167	Cung apparently used to really manhandle Shamrock at those sessions, too. Of course, that was a long time ago... I'm taking Shamrock on the ground. I give takedowns and striking to Cung, but Shamrock's takedowns actually are better for MMA. So really, this is a match between a decent striker who's also a good grappler against a good striker who's also a decent grappler.

03-29-2008, 10:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mike Brewer Moderate Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,167	Unexpected result, but way to go Cung Le! Maybe in the rematch Shamrock will play to his strengths!

03-29-2008, 10:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mike Brewer Moderate Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,167	They're being overly gracious calling it a "takedown attempt by Shamrock." Shamrock wanted to stand and bang with Cung, and he let go.

03-29-2008, 10:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
DickHardman Master Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,055	fear the side kick.

03-30-2008, 12:38 AM	#13 (permalink)
DickHardman Master Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,055	watch video here http://www.mmatko.com/frank-shamrock...force-elitexc/

03-30-2008, 12:44 AM	#14 (permalink)
GQchris Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Alameda County, California Posts: 752	Glad Le won.. Frank was running his mouth and obviously he underestimated his opponent with a so called glass chin. __________________ Owner of a lonely heart.. much better than a owner of a broken heart...

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