Expanding the MMA Arsenal

[treelizard]

Why trap when you can CLINCH?

Anyway, I found a quote by Paul Vunak himself:

"I got into a fight with a very famous Wing Chun man (I'm not going to mention his name). When the fight began, I entered with my straight blast, but instead of him turning and covering like everyone else, He occupied centerline as a response, and we were stuck at a reference point. This precipitated a perk Sao/lop Sao from me, and I followed up with several elbows to the face, and was pleased with the result. The very poignant lesson that I learned was this: The only time you ever need to do a Wing Chun trap is if you’re fighting a Wing Chun man who happens to occupy center line. Otherwise, the vast majority of the time, one never needs to trap the arms at all. This is why over the many years to follow, when people hear me refer to trapping, I'm talking about an entry, straight blast, and head butting, kneeing and elbowing…not some pak sao! "

[DickHardman]

just stop with the nonsense. lift tons of weights, and train tons of bjj and grappling so you can learn to just easily grab people with ridiculous grip strength so they cant get away and then pick them up and drop them right on their skull on the concrete or crush their windpipe and break their neck from choking them so hard with their own clothing.

[Tant01]

I try to find good in everything but I'm tested to see it in Dick's post.

Grip strength = GOOD. Dropping folks on their heads also good. Choking and strangling is up there on the list but we're talking about INCREASING the arsenal.

Lifting weights and BJJ by the ton gets old fast. Relatively speaking that is.

IF JKD is about decrease then the most basic THINGS we can do in MMA is control the distance and by distance I mean time.

Time breaks down from "rounds" to engagements to moments. Taking advantage of each moment with a TOOL your opponent is not expecting is really an art.

Inturrupting his rhythm with a good combination or halting his efforts to close the gap with a kick is fundamental stuff.

I'd like to see the grappling increased. Lots of guys can choke or lock an arm or a leg but few can flow from one to another as the opportunities present themselves...

I see too many missed opportunities in grappling. BJJ is good judo but lets see some more sombo or dumog...Catch wrestling. Something unique and unusual, traditional or not. OLD and MEAN...

San shou is good stuff but lets see the real thing. All that Kata holds more than footwork and patterns.

I want to see more broken bones/ choking and less blood/ fewer knock outs...

[DickHardman]

Originally Posted by Tant01

few can flow from one to another as the opportunities present themselfves...

i can do that

[fire cobra]

Depending on what we are constituting as "trapping" Thai fighters use it in every match practically,
i prefer to term it tapping but the Thai fighter taps/traps,stops a weapon in order to use another weapon at the same time,
an example(and i could give you plenty more) would be from a arm clinch(not neck clinch)if i was going to use a right elbow i would hold and pull down or slap down my opponents right arm at the same time as i used the elbow,
why? so as to stop being hit by my opponents elbow on the side my head is going into.

Hard to describe in word but im sure the people in this discussion will get it.

This sort of thing goes on all the time in the rings of Thailand,so if thats what trapping is then i have to say there is plenty of evidence of it being a very valuable tool in a combat sport.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by treelizard

Why trap when you can CLINCH?

Anyway, I found a quote by Paul Vunak himself:

"I got into a fight with a very famous Wing Chun man (I'm not going to mention his name). When the fight began, I entered with my straight blast, but instead of him turning and covering like everyone else, He occupied centerline as a response, and we were stuck at a reference point. This precipitated a perk Sao/lop Sao from me, and I followed up with several elbows to the face, and was pleased with the result. The very poignant lesson that I learned was this: The only time you ever need to do a Wing Chun trap is if you’re fighting a Wing Chun man who happens to occupy center line. Otherwise, the vast majority of the time, one never needs to trap the arms at all. This is why over the many years to follow, when people hear me refer to trapping, I'm talking about an entry, straight blast, and head butting, kneeing and elbowing…not some pak sao! "

Nice quote!

[Ghost]

Originally Posted by fire cobra

Depending on what we are constituting as "trapping" Thai fighters use it in every match practically,
i prefer to term it tapping but the Thai fighter taps/traps,stops a weapon in order to use another weapon at the same time,
an example(and i could give you plenty more) would be from a arm clinch(not neck clinch)if i was going to use a right elbow i would hold and pull down or slap down my opponents right arm at the same time as i used the elbow,
why? so as to stop being hit by my opponents elbow on the side my head is going into.

Hard to describe in word but im sure the people in this discussion will get it.

This sort of thing goes on all the time in the rings of Thailand,so if thats what trapping is then i have to say there is plenty of evidence of it being a very valuable tool in a combat sport.

thats very true but its not trapping in the wing chun sense, i think thats a different ball game.In thai its used much more briefly and makes more sense.

how was your trip to thailand? you still there?

[Ghost]

If i had to add anything to mma it would be better boxing.

[Mike Brewer]

Originally Posted by treelizard

Why trap when you can CLINCH?

Anyway, I found a quote by Paul Vunak himself:

"I got into a fight with a very famous Wing Chun man (I'm not going to mention his name). When the fight began, I entered with my straight blast, but instead of him turning and covering like everyone else, He occupied centerline as a response, and we were stuck at a reference point. This precipitated a perk Sao/lop Sao from me, and I followed up with several elbows to the face, and was pleased with the result. The very poignant lesson that I learned was this: The only time you ever need to do a Wing Chun trap is if you’re fighting a Wing Chun man who happens to occupy center line. Otherwise, the vast majority of the time, one never needs to trap the arms at all. This is why over the many years to follow, when people hear me refer to trapping, I'm talking about an entry, straight blast, and head butting, kneeing and elbowing…not some pak sao! "

And that's precisely how he trained it, too.

[eXcessiveForce]

Trapping is for when someone gives it too you. When you fight a trained fighter they shouldn't be giving you traps. still doesn't mean you won't get one every once in awhile.

Trapping I think falls in the SD realm. more so than the MMA realm