Usefulness and implications of a leg takedown?

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Originally Posted by Adept

True. Perhaps he can use a BJJ double leg instead? The Baiana, I believe it's called. If I have to do a double leg, the Baiana is what I'd go for as shooting explosively into the pavement with the knees is detrimental to one's health.



I can see where you're coming from. Maybe it's just my own weird personal style or something, but I actually trust my clinch fighting than my stand up. But then again, fighting in the clinch is something I've worked on A LOT in my martial arts experience. Whether I'm rolling in BJJ or sparring in kick boxing, I've always had a better chance going to the clinch with my partners.

But like I said, going to the clinch is something you can work on. Look at Judokas and traditional Thai boxers alike. Clinch freaks.

Its getting to a clinch thats dangerous, you can be caught hard strikes coming in.

Shooting has to be timed correctly like after you throw a strike or after you counter one of theirs

[Tant01]

Some folks can use leg takedowns and the leg locks they expose to win the game (MMA)...

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[Marksmarkou]

You have to remember that most of the time, if youre in a street fight it will be against someone with no training experience, so defending the takedown or going for a guillotine will be completly new to them and you will most likely pull it off.

Having said that, I wouldnt want to go for a double leg, but just try and get the one leg and sweep/hard kick the other to take them down, as this way you have more chance of not falling with your opponent to the floor.

A takedown also would not be the ideal technqiue on the street in my opinion. A good hard strike would always come first.

[bodhisattva]

Originally Posted by Heroic Wolf

Hi everybody,

As of right now, I am reasonably convinced that leg takedowns are a bad idea in a self defense situation as an opponent could guillotine choke me,

Only if you come in sloppy with your back/neck paralell to the ground...

Originally Posted by Heroic Wolf

elbow me in the spine as I shoot in,

Same as above.

Originally Posted by Heroic Wolf

knee me as I shoot in (which could hit my groin if I shoot in far enough by the time the knee connects),

You shouldn't shoot in from a distance. Shoot from the clinch.

Originally Posted by Heroic Wolf

sprawl on top of me,

If he sprawls, that's your opening to execute any one of lots of second moves from the single leg. The second moves are better than the original single leg attack, typically. The "sprawl" is not the ultimate defense. If you learn more about wrestling, you'll find the sprawl works well, but you can use it against your opponent, too.

Originally Posted by Heroic Wolf

or simply dig my eyes out as I tuck my head next to his waist.

Very hard for him to do when you are stealing his balance and smashing him to the ground.

Originally Posted by Heroic Wolf

Leg takedowns also seem to use more energy than upper body takedowns as far as I know.

I sweated and breathed just as hard in Judo class as I did in Wrestling.

Originally Posted by Heroic Wolf

However, there were two questions the leg takedown brought up:
1. Is a super-low leg takedown involving grabbing the opponent at his foot and not his leg or waist possible?

Yes. Very.

Originally Posted by Heroic Wolf

2. Since its possible to shoot in quickly on an opponent, is it possible for an aggressor to shoot in and try to grab/strike the groin?

Sure, but he's likely to get kneed in the face - because you shouldn't shoot in from a distance in a contest/fight wherein boxing is allowed.

I'd suggest you develop your wrestling skills further before writing them off as "useless."

Another big benefit of a single leg is that you have control of his leg after he hits the ground, and that makes it much easier to move to cross-sides.

[bodhisattva]

Originally Posted by Adept

True. Perhaps he can use a BJJ double leg instead? The Baiana, I believe it's called. If I have to do a double leg, the Baiana is what I'd go for as shooting explosively into the pavement with the knees is detrimental to one's health..

Why does everyone think THIS?

It drives me nuts.

Just because wrestlers BOUNCE their knees off the wrestling mat when they do their takedowns does NOT mean that you have to do likewise on concrete.

If you perform a low single or a low double from the clinch, there is NO reason you have to slam your knees down.

Why would you have to do so?

Wrestlers do it because there is a springy mat available, and it adds energy to their entry - they shoot in like a rock skipping across a pond. So they do. Because it is there.

However, that doesn't mean that if you DON'T pogo stick your knees into the asphalt your takedown will be ineffective.

You can drop gently to your knees, quickly, and get your weight under his center of gravity.

It is easily done.

[jubaji]

Good posts.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Originally Posted by Marksmarkou

You have to remember that most of the time, if youre in a street fight it will be against someone with no training

dont always assume that

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Originally Posted by bodhisattva

Why does everyone think THIS?

It drives me nuts.

Just because wrestlers BOUNCE their knees off the wrestling mat when they do their takedowns does NOT mean that you have to do likewise on concrete.

If you perform a low single or a low double from the clinch, there is NO reason you have to slam your knees down.

Why would you have to do so?

Wrestlers do it because there is a springy mat available, and it adds energy to their entry - they shoot in like a rock skipping across a pond. So they do. Because it is there.

However, that doesn't mean that if you DON'T pogo stick your knees into the asphalt your takedown will be ineffective.

You can drop gently to your knees, quickly, and get your weight under his center of gravity.

It is easily done.

you do whats instinct. almost all wrestlers DO automatically shoot when they get into a fight. and a shooting takedown that isnt from a clinch always involves going to a knee in wrestling.

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by 7r14ngL3Ch0k3

almost all wrestlers DO automatically shoot when they get into a fight. and a shooting takedown that isnt from a clinch always involves going to a knee in wrestling.

No and no.

[Heroic Wolf]

I was just doing some thinking and I realized that the nasty counters to leg takedowns only work if the guy defending the takedown is not rushing forward. So I guess leg takedown is still a great tool for defeating someone that is rushing forward

[jubaji]

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[Heroic Wolf]

Wait, is what I posted above what you've been trying to get me to understand the whole time? Lol

[jubaji]

Um, no.........