Which martial art for me?

[GQchris]

Originally Posted by Heroic Wolf

I would go with judo since chances are, if you'll need to restrain somebody in a non-serious situation, things won't go to ground-fighting. If its restraining somebody in a serious situation, judo is no worse than BJJ

I need to learn some of that, I work in a place where the need may come up that I will need to get someone in a hold and throw them out of the place. Should I look up my local Judo studio? I just don't want to get taught at a Judo McDojo

[jubaji]

Need I say it?

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by jubaji

Need I say it?

....................Say IT?

[jubaji]

You know, IT!

[GQchris]

Spill it already!

[Heroic Wolf]

I have no clue what the "it" is However, I would say that Greco-Roman bodylocking techniques are great for holding people out/manuveuring people around while standing up

[jubaji]

Wrestling, of course!

[GQchris]

I thought BJJ would be more appropriate for the submission type holds to be able to throw people out of establishments..

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by GQchris

I thought BJJ would be more appropriate for the submission type holds to be able to throw people out of establishments..

But wrestling has more of a focus on positional dominance without the commitment to sometimes compromising positions of JJ submissions and sacrifice throws of judo. A wrestler will also likely be more comfortable/experienced in establishing dominant position and taking the back while standing.

[chillaplata]

I recently started training at a Gracie-Barra school, and one of the things I really like about it is that we regularly train takedowns, throws and clinchwork as well as ground work. Typically the first 10-15 minutes of instruction time is devoted to basic throws or takedowns, and then we spend 25-30 minutes training groundwork. Although we don't do standing randori -- we roll on the ground like good BJJers -- we sometimes do standing drills in which one partner will go for a throw or takedown and the other will resist.

I don't know whether all G-B schools follow the same approach, but I think it works very well. I understand that some Judo schools emphasize newaza a lot more than others. So you could probably get a similar mix of stand-up work and ground grappling at the right Judo school, although I imagine the emphasis would still be on stand-up work.

For my part I've never trained Judo, so I'm glad to have the chance to be learning some simple hip throws, leg reaps, etc. There's also a once-a-week wrestling class that I am looking forward to trying out one of these weeks...

[Lone_Knight]

Judo is pretty cool. You get the throws, and locks/chokes. It's keeping me happy.

[M7M]

Sounds like he wants Traditional Japanese Jujutsu. It focuses quick joint locks of fingers, elbows, etc. Either ending the confrontation with something as simple as a thumb lock or a throw, immediately followed by a wrist lock or something. Or if you just want to break their arm, etc. Or finish with a vital point strike (which is available in all MAs). Only problem is, it's not that easy when the guy's not giving you his fingers in slow motion like how it's done during training.

The Gracies, who are masters at JJ, knows and teaches this also....but they call it Self Defense. BJJ is more geared toward the sporty aspect and gentlemanly fights vs. dirty finger breaking moves.

An example is Danzan Ryu JJ:

YouTube - Danzan Ryu NYC Jujitsu demo

YouTube - Professor Wally Jay's Dance of Pain

[jubaji]

Not too many real confrontations gonna be finished with a 'thumb lock.'

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by chillaplata

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....I understand that some Judo schools emphasize newaza a lot more than others. So you could probably get a similar mix of stand-up work and ground grappling at the right Judo school, although I imagine the emphasis would still be on stand-up work.

For my part I've never trained Judo, so I'm glad to have the chance to be learning some simple hip throws, leg reaps, etc. There's also a once-a-week wrestling class that I am looking forward to trying out one of these weeks...

Actually buddy, BJJ, GJJ, GBJ is all "JUDO" Some judo schools, as you point out, emphasize newaza a lot more than others. Don't buy it for the name or get confused about what's what. Enjoy your judo even if it's been uprooted and transplanted.

It's all good...

If you want to know the Japanese names for HIP throws and Reaping throws I'm sure you can find them....

See; JUDO.

[M7M]

Originally Posted by jubaji

Not too many real confrontations gonna be finished with a 'thumb lock.'

are you kidding me? if the thumb lock is in, you'll be in too much pain to do anything else. you'll move exactly where he wants you too and that includes setting you up for an arm break, etc.

he's also got your wrist in this hold, so the wrist breaks too if you don't move with him. unless you've got an awesome threshold for pain and can endure your thumb dislocated and your wrist being broken, yea i suppose you can get out of the lock and take a swing while this is happening. but this is assuming that he doesn't take advantage of you being in immediate pain and move onto another technique or simply knee you in the face, jaws, etc. a few times.