MMA fighters their level of hand skills

[Uke]

Originally Posted by Mr. Miyagi

We'd need to see elite MMA strikers fight elite boxers under K-1 style rules to see where things really are. Boxing is boxing and MMA is MMA. You can't compare the standup; an MMA fighter is fighting though clinches and under the threat of a takedown.

Anderson Silva vs Roy Jones in a standup fight with kicks, knees, elbows, and clinch allowed. Who wins?

Why not just have MMA fighters try their hand at pro-boxing?

If Roy was in his prime and spent just mere months learning how to kick and use low kick defense I'd give it to Roy all the way. Did you see what Vito Belfort did to Vanderlei Silva? And Belfort is a shitty boxer compared to a pro.

Anderson Silva has had two professional boxing bouts. On May 22, 1998 Silva took on, the then 10-2, Osmar Luiz Teixeira and lost by second round TKO. He stepped back into the boxing ring in August 2005 to face Julio Cesar De Jesus. De Jesus had never boxed before as a professional and Silva won by KO in round two.

If he got knocked out by Osmar Whatshisname he wouldn't last a round with a lion like Roy Jones in his prime. You've got to be kidding me. And while I do like Anderson Silva he wouldn't last as he is in K-1.

And by the way ... I can and do compare the standup. Many boxers are masters of clinch fighting. With low kicking defense and kneeing defense a prime, fit and ready boxer is a dangerous fighter. Especially one that really skilled and not some no name club fighter or a has been who is great now in name only.

Shit ... Francis Botha beat two of K-1's legends: Jerome LeBanner and Peter Aerts in K-1 rules! And this was after he retired from boxing!

I'm telling you ... MMA athletes are not on the level of top pro boxers. Definitely not skill wise. And the only home that pure MMA-fighters have against a solid boxer is low kicks and playing grab ass on the floor.

[jubaji]

LOL!!! pUke's obsession has only gotten worse! I think he's too far gone now even for the FL playhouse!

[GQchris]

I don't think you can compare the two, these are two different sports

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by GQchris

I don't think you can compare the two, these are two different sports

Forget it, pUke will never see past his obsession...

[Uke]

Originally Posted by GQchris

I don't think you can compare the two, these are two different sports

So contact isn't related?

MMA fighters don't box?

Boxer don't box?

Kickboxers don't box?

The only way they are very different is the ground grappling.

K-1 is a hybrid of the two without the grappling.

Once upon a time, there were more strikers in MMA than grapplers.

How is it so different that they cannot be compared?

The UFC hasn't been revamped to a point where pure strikers who learned ground defense don't win. So that's just another cop out.

Cropcop, Anderson Silva, Vanderlei Silva, Allistair Overeem, Lyoto Machida etc ... are all primarily strikers. Most of their wins come from strikes. Why couldn't they test their skill in K-1? How are the two not comparable? Just remove the ground wrasslin and its the same thing just at a much lower skill level.

Other MMA fighter have tried it before. Just as boxers have tried MMA and K-1.

Sounds like a lack of confidence.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Originally Posted by Uke

Why not just have MMA fighters try their hand at pro-boxing?

Then why not have boxers try their hand at MMA? If their standup is so effective then they'll easily just KO everyone right? Only problem being, they seem too chickenshit to try it.

So the compromise is a standup fight. That way boxers can throw fists and MMA guys can work standup. I actually agree with you that most MMA fighters would get destroyed; the fact that boxers don't use a clinch or elbows or kicks or knees still wouldn't be enough to save most MMA fighters against them.

Since you seem so fixated on Anderson Silva...he is definitely a case of that was then and this is now. At 34 he's not spring chicken, but this is his prime, he was ignorant about a lot of things about the fighting game before he came to the UFC. As you can see, he lost MMA fights to guys who he would KO in a few seconds now. His boxing is actually very good at this point, not as good as Roy Jones, but still on a high professional level. And his bjj is good enough to fend of subs and eventually escape back to his feet. Of course Roy Jones would beat him in a boxing match. And of course Anderson would take Roy down in an MMA match and sub him. But a K-1 style match would be interesting.

Everything you're saying is because MMA has not been around that long, and it's still not even mainstream yet. Ten years from now MMA guys will have even better standup. The top standup guys now (Anderson, Machida) will be studied and implemented.

Until a PURE top ranked boxer actually tries their hand at MMA, we'll never know if they're skills are actually effective against top MMA fighters or not. Mercer/Sylvia is a bad example; Sylvia was 50 lbs overweight. Klitchko vs Fedor, Roy Jones vs Anderson, Floyd Mayweather vs BJ Penn, those matches would give us a better idea. But I'm 100% sure the boxers would lose all three of these hypothetical matches, because they'd easily get taken down and choked out. Unless they crosstrained. Hopefully MMA will eventually pay more and the top boxers will be tempted to cross over and give it a shot.

[Mr. Miyagi]

and one more thing, don't forget that MMA KO's happen much more easily and quickly than boxing KO's. That's because of the gloves for sure. MMA gloves don't give as much cushion as boxing gloves.

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by pUke

The only way they are very different is the ground grappling.

You're an idiot. STFU.

[William]

YouTube Video

Obviously you can't make generalizations on one fight. But here's one that goes the other way. From his stats, Bowen doesn't appear to be a shlep.

Melton Bowen
won 35 (KO 28) + lost 9 (KO 7) + drawn 0 = 44
rounds boxed 151 : KO% 63.64
Melton Bowen


Just sayin'



William