MMA fighters their level of hand skills

[Uke]

YouTube - Ray Mercer vs. Tim Sylvia Bragging Rights in Birmingham Al


"An engorged former UFC heavyweight champion, Tim Sylvia, showed up for a fight in Birmingham, Ala., Saturday against lumbering, 48-year-old, ex-heavyweight champion boxer Ray Mercer, weighing 310 pounds.

Result? Sylvia got knocked into a previously undiscovered level of Internet infamy, teetering over just nine seconds into the bout. It was said to be MMA, but the event was such a disorganized and confusing mess -- bounced from New Jersey, rules debated, briefly cancelled -- that Sylvia may have thought they were set to play checkers when the bell rang.

You'd better believe Bob Arum, Lou DiBella, Floyd Mayweather, and other contentious boxing investors with an inferiority complex, will be reveling in this for the foreseeable future."

Did you guys pay attention to the fact that Mercer was almost 50 years old and weighed over 300lbs?

So much for this site's claim that MMA fighters have great hand skills. 9 seconds against MMA elite? That's priceless. I remember Tom Yum going on about how MMA fighters have great hand skills and other nonsense.

Its no different than I said it would be. Botha did it, and now a 300lb, 50 year old Mercer did it in 9 seconds. I said it before and I'll say it again: The ONLY unique quality that MMA offers that few other big venue events offers is the grappling. That's it. K-1 has better kickboxing/muay thai, and Pro boxing is a different pedigree all together as it pertains to pugilism.

This is exactly why MMA fighters seem so effective: They fight other fighter who fight the exact same way. Once someone with real(not crash coursed) specialized skill gets involved(Coleman, Couture, CroCop, Fedor, Nogueira, Botha, Mercer) you see how the hodgepodge of MMA fares.

Problem is, no one worth a damn gets involved with these sh!tty tournaments. Only over-the-hill, often overweight fighters. That's why you rarely see things like this happen. But like I told Tom Yum years back, the same thing would have happened even if it Butterbean Silva had fought. Skill is skill, and even though Mercer is almost 50, he beat one of MMA's top fighters in his prime in 9 seconds despite Sylvia being 6'8. Butterbean is a boxer. Not a great boxer but one much better than anyone you'll find in MMA. The only way MMA fighter could beat Butterbean was to butt scoot to the ground because they had no other choice.

Lastly, if you notice even after Mercer knocked Silvia's jaw to the back of his neck he went for the takedown. I mention this to show that a boxer can learn ground fighting and defense without having to become a BJJ player. That and once a fighter with real striking skills understands how to deal with and get passed the little Brazilian butt scoot tricks, MMA folds like a pair of freshly ironed pants.

I can guarantee that if Mercer chooses to fight again, no matter the opponent they will be shooting in as soon as he gets within arms distance. And IMO, that doesn't imply skill on the part of MMA. That implies desperation because butt scooting on the floor is all they have left at their disposal once someone with real skills step into the ring.

Source: Ray Mercer beats Tim Sylvia; boxing's death rattle delayed - ESPN

[jukado1]

First thing, 1 punch knock outs are more about luck then skill, If a fight goes longer you will see who has the best ability, But saying that, How could a MMA fighter who trains 2 to 4 hours a day covering, Boxing, Kicking, Wrestling, Jiu Jitsu be as effective in boxing as a boxer who trains 2 to 4 hours a day in strictly boxing, THEY CAN'T BE, There is a trade off in choosing what and how long to train on, That would be like expecting a MMA fighter to be as good as a wrestler in pure wrestling, What a MMA fighter should be doing is working as hard as possible on their strengths while working to protect their weaker parts of their game, I. E. A boxer must learn how to avoid take downs while keeping the fight standing, While the wrestler must learn how to nullify the boxers hands while setting up his take downs, Think the first Randy Couture versus Vitore Belfort fight.

[fire cobra]

Boxers especially Bangers will always have a chance in any fighting enviroment.

Siva in my opinion was overated,he is just a big man with half decent skills,he met a bigger man who can bang simple as.

[Ghost]

i basically agree but this fight isnt a good example, its two washed up fighters fighting each other. thats not representative of the rest of mma.
however i do agree that the general standard of stand up fighting is mma is very low.

[Tant01]

Well... leave it to our buddy UKE... looks like another half assed attempt to smear the reputation of the MMA fans here.

Good to see him post again but a failure to emphasize his point. If you like to punch join a boxing or MT gym. If you like to grapple then go play wrestling or sambo or judo or BJJ...

If you just want to do MMA then by all means... knock yourself out.

The RBSD crowd will always bitch about the "players"...

[Michael Wright]

Talk about stating the obvious.

K1 and Muay Thai are obviously better kickboxing, Boxing is obviously better Boxing, and a high grade BJJ or Wrestling tournament will obviously be better Grappling. MMA has to factor in a balance of each range and a strategy to ensure that over emphasis on one doesn't leave you exposed in another. Its really not rocket science.

So an MMA guy got in with a Boxer and he got Boxed. Is that is? Is that the point of this thread? Wow, thats a revelation.

[Ghost]

RBSD crowd can **** off, they dont really know what they are doing.

**** all that SPEAR shit. good money maker though, NEVER met anyone that was combative with it, other than within their own small cirlce of SPEAR buddies.

lmao

Well... leave it to our buddy UKE... looks like another half assed attempt to smear the reputation of the MMA fans here.

Good to see him post again but a failure to emphasize his point. If you like to punch join a boxing or MT gym. If you like to grapple then go play wrestling or sambo or judo or BJJ...

If you just want to do MMA then by all means... knock yourself out.

The RBSD crowd will always bitch about the "players"...

[TTEscrima]

Well... leave it to our buddy UKE... looks like another half assed attempt to smear the reputation of the MMA fans here.

The fans here have no more to do with what the pro's do in the ring than the face painted fans at the superbowl have to do with what happens on the field.

But then that's the whole point, all you usually hear is the opinions of a bunch of fans who have never fought a pro mma match in their lives nor served in the military yet consider themselves the be all end all of knowledge on the subject of SD, and military combatives... all based on opinions formulated by watching what their favorite athletes do during sporting events. Mind you none of them punch like Tyson or grapple like a Gracie, but they'll quickly tell you how your RBSD won't stack up to the standards of the Pro MMA fighter.

I'd wager the ones doing the most smack talking haven't got 1 second of actual personal experience to base their opinions on. So in essence the only people smearing the MMA fans reputation is the MMA fans themselves when they make baseless arguments without an ANY experience from which to base their extremely vocal arguments upon.

[Sagacious Lu]

No kidding, Silvia's punching is second rate, even for MMA. His career has also been on the skids for a while now- which is probably why he took this fight in the first place. Even when he was at the top of his game his skills were never a shining example and lately it's looked like his fighting career is in its death-throes. I'm not sure what's sadder; the state of Silvia's career or the fact that Uke thinks it somehow proves something about the entirety of MMA.

...the same thing would have happened even if it Butterbean Silva had fought.

Which Silva? If you want to speculate on a hypothetical (and highly improbable) match up that's your business but you could at least be specific about the fighters involved so that we can see just how far your reaching.

[Tom Yum]

I've never said that MMA guys are great boxers - boxing is a whole nother art. To the contrary, I've said that some can put together good punching combinations. MMA isn't boxing and vice versa.

An experienced retired pro boxer can still deliver the goods against someone of lesser boxing ability or use his strength in that range to gain the initiative in the fight. Likewise, a MMA guy can use leg kicks and grappling to beat a boxer.

Kimbo Slice beat Ray Mercer, remember?

As far as self-defense is concerned, I know there's alot of it out there - alot of it in TMA styles. I've been exposed to some material from Applegate's combatives.

[Tant01]

The fans here have no more to do with what the pro's do in the ring than the face painted fans at the superbowl have to do with what happens on the field.

But then that's the whole point, all you usually hear is the opinions of a bunch of fans who have never fought a pro mma match in their lives nor served in the military yet consider themselves the be all end all of knowledge on the subject of SD, and military combatives... all based on opinions formulated by watching what their favorite athletes do during sporting events. Mind you none of them punch like Tyson or grapple like a Gracie, but they'll quickly tell you how your RBSD won't stack up to the standards of the Pro MMA fighter.

I'd wager the ones doing the most smack talking haven't got 1 second of actual personal experience to base their opinions on. So in essence the only people smearing the MMA fans reputation is the MMA fans themselves when they make baseless arguments without an ANY experience from which to base their extremely vocal arguments upon.

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Not even after they've seen the accidental gouge or groin shot disable a player.

Keeping "IT" real is less about talking and more about doing... Hell, I'm old and slow and I still do it.

BIG fun!

Enjoy.

[jubaji]

How funny is it that pUke and the hairdressers are STILL struggling with their insecurities after so long?

[kingoftheforest]

You know if an electrician goes to do a job he doesn't bring 1 tool to do it. He brings a whole tool box.

It just seems funny that the guy who brought one tool whooped the ass of the guy who supposedly has a multi dimensional tool box.

I guess knowing how to use a hammer real well is better than being a putz with all the expensive equipment.

[Clubber Lang]

Man, I've seen some pretty thin threads in my time, but this one is on its way to winning the slimmer of the year.

So a has-been MMA guy got in with a has-been Boxer and got clocked. Sure, that sounds like the perfect reference point to discredit the approach of MMA.

How many MMA fans are on this forum, a few hundred? A bet each and every one of them could post a fight where a well rounded MMA fighter wiped the floor with a one dimensional fighter. I'm sure they don't feel the need to because a) it happens all the time, in pretty much every tournament for all to see and b) they aren't desperatly trying to discredit other people's art to compensate for their own insecurities.

[kingoftheforest]

Man, I've seen some pretty thin threads in my time, but this one is on its way to winning the slimmer of the year.

So a has-been MMA guy got in with a has-been Boxer and got clocked. Sure, that sounds like the perfect reference point to discredit the approach of MMA.

How many MMA fans are on this forum, a few hundred? A bet each and every one of them could post a fight where a well rounded MMA fighter wiped the floor with a one dimensional fighter. I'm sure they don't feel the need to because a) it happens all the time, in pretty much every tournament for all to see and b) they aren't desperatly trying to discredit other people's art to compensate for their own insecurities.

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