UFC 100 Mir vs. Lesnar - who has the most advantage

**hybridmartial** · 07-10-2009, 09:13 PM

Mir is in good shape but he talks a lot about himself and overconfident to win the fight. Lesnar, eager to take his revenge and might out of focus on the fight because he's been thinking about his defeat with Mir last time. Now, who do you think will come out as victorious on this fight of UFC history?

**Laura** · 07-11-2009, 11:04 PM

They all like to talk about themselves and act cocky but Mir is the only one of the two with the real skill. Lesnar is just big and heavy and wins due to his size and weight. I don't think there's anyone in all the UFC as heavy as he is in that weight division. Drug enhancements? Maybe. I go with Mir.

**Laura** · 07-11-2009, 11:22 PM

Well Lesnar won but it sure didn't sound like a crowd pleaser judging by the booing. The heavy weight division is about as exciting as it is in boxing. A real snoose fest. I wouldn't exactly call Lesnar a great technician by any means, just big. Not to highjack your thread but Arturo Gatti was true greatness in the ring. RIP Arturo....

**Sagacious Lu** · 07-11-2009, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Laura

They all like to talk about themselves and act cocky but Mir is the only one of the two with the real skill. Lesnar is just big and heavy and wins due to his size and weight. I don't think there's anyone in all the UFC as heavy as he is in that weight division. Drug enhancements? Maybe. I go with Mir.

As much as I dislike Lesnar you have to remember that he was an excellent collegiate wrestler. He isn't as well rounded as many in MMA but it takes an enormous amount of skill to wrestle at that level. Oh well, he may have the UFC belt but he's still a pretender to the throne until he fights Fedor.

**Laura** · 07-12-2009, 08:34 AM

I hope he doesn't flip the audience off like he did last night if he gets to fight Fedor.....

**Sagacious Lu** · 07-12-2009, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by Laura

I hope he doesn't flip the audience off like he did last night if he gets to fight Fedor.....

Yeah, that was disgraceful. He has no class... none.

**Jujujason** · 07-12-2009, 09:14 AM

I don't think the booing was because of any lack of skill on Brock's part so much as it was because Mir was born and raised in Vegas and it was a hometown crowd. Had they fought in Minneapolis, I think there would've been a lot of cheering from the crowd.

**Laura** · 07-12-2009, 09:47 AM

Judging by the articles I've read on the fight, they seem to be in agreement it was boring as Hell. I've never been excited watching big guys "fight", especially someone like Brock, who's just big, and doesn't show much respect for his opponent or the audience.....

**jubaji** · 07-12-2009, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Sagacious Lu

As much as I dislike Lesnar you have to remember that he was an excellent collegiate wrestler. He isn't as well rounded as many in MMA but it takes an enormous amount of skill to wrestle at that level.

Too true!!!

**Jujujason** · 07-12-2009, 01:07 PM

I saw him wrestle 10 yrs ago during a dual meet between Iowa and Minnesota and he was a beast back then.

**fire cobra** · 07-12-2009, 02:37 PM

I didnt think it was boring,it was just very one sided,Mir didnt stand a chance.

**chillaplata** · 07-12-2009, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Sagacious Lu

As much as I dislike Lesnar you have to remember that he was an excellent collegiate wrestler. He isn't as well rounded as many in MMA but it takes an enormous amount of skill to wrestle at that level. Oh well, he may have the UFC belt but he's still a pretender to the throne until he fights Fedor.

His collegiate wrestling career was truly outstanding. According to Wikipedia:

Lesnar attended Webster High School in Webster, South Dakota where he had a wrestling record of 33-0-0 in his senior year.[14] Lesnar later attended the University of Minnesota on a full wrestling scholarship for his junior and senior years of college; his roommate was fellow professional wrestler Shelton Benjamin who also served as Lesnar's assistant coach.[15] Lesnar won the 2000 NCAA wrestling championship as a heavyweight after placing second in 1999. Prior to joining the Minnesota Golden Gophers, Lesnar also wrestled at Bismarck State College in Bismarck, North Dakota.[3] Lesnar finished his amateur career as a two-time NJCAA All-American, 1998 NJCAA Heavyweight Champion, two-time NCAA All-American, two-time Big Ten Conference Champion, and the 2000 NCAA heavyweight champion with a record of 106–5 overall in four years of college.[16]

On a separate note, and without in any way justifying Lesnar's absolute classlessness after the fight last night, I have to wonder whether he is deliberately trying to cultivate a "heel" image on the theory that (i) there is no bad publicity, (ii) being widely hated will be almost as good for his bankability as being widely loved (like, say, Chuck or Randy) and (iii) in view of his widespread unpopularity among MMA fans there is no chance at least in the short term of his being widely loved. I also wonder whether Dana White, despite reportedly (on Sports Illustrated's website) pulling Lesnar out of his locker room to chew him out after the fight, will tolerate (maybe even encourage) this behavior on the theory that it will help attract pro wrestling fans to MMA.

**Tant01** · 07-12-2009, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by chillaplata

His collegiate wrestling career was truly outstanding. According to Wikipedia:

On a separate note, and without in any way justifying Lesnar's absolute classlessness after the fight last night, I have to wonder whether he is deliberately trying to cultivate a "heel" image on the theory that (i) there is no bad publicity, (ii) being widely hated will be almost as good for his bankability as being widely loved (like, say, Chuck or Randy) and (iii) in view of his widespread unpopularity among MMA fans there is no chance at least in the short term of his being widely loved. I also wonder whether Dana White, despite reportedly (on Sports Illustrated's website) pulling Lesnar out of his locker room to chew him out after the fight, will tolerate (maybe even encourage) this behavior on the theory that it will help attract pro wrestling fans to MMA.

Sounds as good a theory as any.

**Mr. Miyagi** · 07-12-2009, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Laura

I hope he doesn't flip the audience off like he did last night if he gets to fight Fedor.....

Hopefully that wouldn't be possible because Fedor would put him to sleep.

The weight/strength issue becomes huge at heavyweight. I don't know exactly how much Mir weighs, I think he was under 250. Brock had to CUT weight to make it into the heavyweight limit of 265, he probably walked into the ring at 285-290.
Guys like Noguiera and Randy walk around at 225-230, they are much smaller than Brock.
Fedor weighs 230 and is fat enough that he could easily cut to 205 if he wanted to, maybe he needs the fat for the harsh Russian winters. But he hasn't had much trouble dealing with heavier guys, stronger guys, wrestlers, standup fighters. I think the only time he was in trouble was against Fujita, because Fujita rocked him with a lucky punch. I hope he wouldn't make a mistake and let Brock rock him like that. I think on most days he could defeat Brock, for now.

The UFC played into Brock's star power a little too much. His UFC record was 2-1 when he fought Randy for the belt, and his MMA record was just 3-1. That is absolutely ridiculous; he should have had to climb the ladder like anyone else. Machida was 6-0 in the UFC and 14-0 in MMA at the time of his title shot. Waggney Fabiano is 12-1 with no recent losses and he still hasn't gotten a 145 lb title shot in WEC.

Maybe heavyweight has too much of a range. But right now, there aren't enough quality fighters to break up what is there into a super HW category. Something like a 195 lb class would be much less necessary but SO much more interesting.

It has to make everyone wonder. How many other giants from wrestling and boxing could learn a little bit of MMA and then take out the top HW MMA fighters? Could John Cena enter MMA (he makes too much money already so he wouldn't) and be like Brock? It's only the HW division of MMA that is like this, the other divisions are way more solid and competitive.

**Britt** · 07-13-2009, 12:57 PM

Dana handed him his ass over the Budweiser comments; going off on Mir was one thing, but going off on one of the top sponsors was freakin' ridiculous. Anyway, he apologized to both Bud and Mir:

"First and foremost I want to apologize," Lesnar said. "I acted very unprofessionally after the fight. I'm a sore loser and I don't like to get beat. I believe that Frank and I's first fight, I gave that fight to him. So there was a lot of emotion in that fight for me. I love this company. I wanna be a fighter. I've wanted to be a fighter since I was a little kid okay - you guys want to get to know me a little bit right now - I've been a fighter my whole life. Wrestling was my way out. I wasn't the smartest kid on the block. I didn't like school. I like to get in one-on-one with my opponent and that's where I handled my business. I went in the entertainment business for a while and I guess... people ask all the time if there's anything I can drag over from the WWE, and I guess you saw a little bit of that tonight."

"I apologize to Bud Light," Lesnar said. "I'm not biased; I drink any beer, but tonight I'm drinking Bud Light all night. So, you know, man I was so jacked up. I'm used to selling PPV tickets. I come from a business that is purely entertainment... Dana (White) came back and we had a whip-the-dog session and I screwed up and I apologize.

"I have nothing against Frank (Mir)," Lesnar said. "The only thing I had against Frank was that he beat me. We both talked a lot of crap and in the end I was just jacked up."

Dana also talks about a Fedor - Lesnar matchup.

Lesnar apologizes to Mir, Bud Light; White promises Lesnar vs. Fedor