Shotokan "Groundfighting"

JaredExtreme · 06-17-2001, 03:43 AM

Has anyone seen the July 40th annivery edition of Black Belt Magazine? Well, look at the section about Shotokan Karate Groundfighting...it's good for a laugh.

I like the counter for the mounted gi choke which is comprised of two steps: 1.The bottom person hammer fists the person choking him from above. 2. The bottom person then pushes top person off.

Also, the escape from the naked choke was quite innovative. The setup was the attacker was choking the victim. The attacker was on one knee, and the victim on her side. Step 1. Victim raises the leg she is lying on and kicks attacker in face. Step 2: Victim pushes attacker away. Step 3: Victim kicks attacker again.

i found these techniques rather naive to say the least. Oh yeah, and apparetnty the editors didn't catch the typo 'jujutsu' that occurs every 3 pages.

Zhoozhitsu · 06-17-2001, 12:31 PM

Black Belt magazine.... what a f*ckin' joke.

Hookah Smokin Caterpillar · 06-17-2001, 01:59 PM

People shouldn't even post these. I don't even laugh at how stupid it is anymore

Twisted up · 06-20-2001, 05:44 AM

Sad but true....

So many karate styles began coming out of the woodwork proclaiming that their systems had groundfighting all along after the Gracies made their debut.

Shows their ignorance.

John

duchman · 06-20-2001, 07:05 AM

there was karate groundfighting before gracie, john bluming 10th dan kyushinkai and a high dan judo taught grappling in his karate system before the gracie hype, he traind the leader of rings holland chris dolman and olimpic champion wim ruska

Bligh · 06-20-2001, 08:36 AM

"jujutsu" is the technically proper way to write the original characters in English.

Mako · 06-20-2001, 11:20 AM

I saw that article. Most of the time it's something like
"Aikido on the ground" or something like that, maybe not realistic, but at least wrist locks are possible, kind of makes you look at another "view" on the whole thing.

HOWEVER, this Shotokan article was without a doubt the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen passed off as legitimate technique. If you haven't seen it, it is laughable.

I'm all for arts trying to find a solution to their weaknesses, but this was just moronic. And to package it into a 40th Anniv. issue makes it all the worse.

I realize that BB has to cater to an incredibly wide range of arts, but good grief, some of the articles lately have been pure garbage. (this month features a man who breaks coconuts; special guest appearances on Walker, Texas Ranger; and an article on Jet Li.)

I've subscribed to BB for over 5 years, but this will probably be my last. Any suggestions? Gracie? O Tatame?

bobby_steeles · 06-20-2001, 06:54 PM

hey at least they print nhb results, even if they are two years old.

06-17-2001, 03:43 AM	#1 (permalink)
JaredExtreme Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,115 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Shotokan "Groundfighting" Has anyone seen the July 40th annivery edition of Black Belt Magazine? Well, look at the section about Shotokan Karate Groundfighting...it's good for a laugh. I like the counter for the mounted gi choke which is comprised of two steps: 1.The bottom person hammer fists the person choking him from above. 2. The bottom person then pushes top person off. Also, the escape from the naked choke was quite innovative. The setup was the attacker was choking the victim. The attacker was on one knee, and the victim on her side. Step 1. Victim raises the leg she is lying on and kicks attacker in face. Step 2: Victim pushes attacker away. Step 3: Victim kicks attacker again. i found these techniques rather naive to say the least. Oh yeah, and apparetnty the editors didn't catch the typo 'jujutsu' that occurs every 3 pages.

06-17-2001, 12:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
Zhoozhitsu Master Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,154 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Black Belt magazine.... what a f*ckin' joke. __________________ - Brian ------- "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you," Trotsky

06-17-2001, 01:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
Hookah Smokin Caterpillar Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Anaheim, CA Posts: 393 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	People shouldn't even post these. I don't even laugh at how stupid it is anymore __________________ "Living is easy with eyes closed, Misunderstanding all you see, Its getting hard to be someone but it all works out, It doesn't matter much to me..." - Lennon, John

06-20-2001, 07:05 AM	#5 (permalink)
duchman Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: holland Posts: 1,034 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	there was karate groundfighting before gracie, john bluming 10th dan kyushinkai and a high dan judo taught grappling in his karate system before the gracie hype, he traind the leader of rings holland chris dolman and olimpic champion wim ruska __________________ Aaron "Duchman" Karels

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06-20-2001, 05:44 AM	#4 (permalink)
Twisted up Novice Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Winston-Salem, NC Posts: 172 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sad but true.... So many karate styles began coming out of the woodwork proclaiming that their systems had groundfighting all along after the Gracies made their debut. Shows their ignorance. John

06-20-2001, 08:36 AM	#6 (permalink)
Bligh Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 71 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	"jujutsu" is the technically proper way to write the original characters in English.

06-20-2001, 11:20 AM	#7 (permalink)
Mako Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 274 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I saw that article. Most of the time it's something like "Aikido on the ground" or something like that, maybe not realistic, but at least wrist locks are possible, kind of makes you look at another "view" on the whole thing. HOWEVER, this Shotokan article was without a doubt the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen passed off as legitimate technique. If you haven't seen it, it is laughable. I'm all for arts trying to find a solution to their weaknesses, but this was just moronic. And to package it into a 40th Anniv. issue makes it all the worse. I realize that BB has to cater to an incredibly wide range of arts, but good grief, some of the articles lately have been pure garbage. (this month features a man who breaks coconuts; special guest appearances on Walker, Texas Ranger; and an article on Jet Li.) I've subscribed to BB for over 5 years, but this will probably be my last. Any suggestions? Gracie? O Tatame?

06-20-2001, 06:54 PM	#8 (permalink)
bobby_steeles Advanced Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: in front of my computer Posts: 650 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	hey at least they print nhb results, even if they are two years old.

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