BJJ vs. Judo

[Tom Yum]

Greetings good folks of Defend.net. There's a lot of discussion going into the comparisons of of BJJ and judo around these parts - both in techniques, strategy and philosophy.

BJJ has the marketing machine of the UFC and is the primary grappling tool for fighters from the early days of Brazillian Vale Tudo to today's UFCs - but here in the states, BJJ is a relatively new art compared to the presence of Judo.

I have more experience with BJJ and no experience with Judo, although I have grappled against Judoka long ago - although currently my BJJ is a bit rusty. From what I remembered, Judoka were really good at takedowns and pretty good on the ground - whereas at the time, my BJJ training spent more time working on the ground, the only time I was able to even get close to getting the upperhand.

I would like to hear other's discussions and comparisons of BJJ vs. Judo, especially from the Defend.net experts (those whom are much more experienced at these arts than I've been). Especially from guys like BJJ expertise, Tanto, Micheal Wright, TTE and any others.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

Greetings good folks of Defend.net. There's a lot of discussion going into the comparisons of of BJJ and judo around these parts - both in techniques, strategy and philosophy.

BJJ has the marketing machine of the UFC and is the primary grappling tool for fighters from the early days of Brazillian Vale Tudo to today's UFCs - but here in the states, BJJ is a relatively new art compared to the presence of Judo.

I have more experience with BJJ and no experience with Judo, although I have grappled against Judoka long ago - although currently my BJJ is a bit rusty. From what I remembered, Judoka were really good at takedowns and pretty good on the ground - whereas at the time, my BJJ training spent more time working on the ground, the only time I was able to even get close to getting the upperhand.

I would like to hear other's discussions and comparisons of BJJ vs. Judo, especially from the Defend.net experts (those whom are much more experienced at these arts than I've been). Especially from guys like BJJ expertise, Tanto, Micheal Wright, TTE and any others.

I've done both arts (competed in them as well) and I love them both equally! The two arts are essentially one and the same with different emphasis. Judo, to a beginner, is very counter-intuitive (i.e. you're supposed to stand straight although instinct has you bending over because you dont' want to get thrown) and takes a lot of time to hone the technical intricacies and timing of each move. BJJ, I feel, has a higher learning curve in that a person who's been doing it a month can almost always trump someone who's never done it before. This is not to say that one art is superior to the other, just that one definitely takes a little more time and dedication to get right.

Both arts have figured out their expertise to a T but truly lack finesse in the opposite (Judo newaza was nothing spectacular from what I've seen while BJJ standup was nowhere near as good as that as good Judoka).

As far as competition goes both arts have a lot of flaws with the rules. BJJ has the retarded guard jumping and butt scooting that are allowed while Judo has everything from bans on certain grips due to too much dominance it gives you and the emphasis on turtling on the ground to avoid groundwork.

BJJ is currently riding the popularity wave of UFC/MMA so it'll be a lot easier to find a good school in that discipline that Judo. It's incredibly hard to find a Judo school in most cities, let alone a good one.

Injuries, I've been relatively lucky when it comes to avoiding major injuries but the most injuries I've ever sustained was from doing Judo. Even if your ukemi is excellent you're still getting rocketted towards the floor. In my time in Judo I've hurt alot of my Uke's too, sadly; I've broken two arms, two fingers, and a shoulder, and I've only been doing it for 2 years!

That's pretty much all my jumbled thoughts on the sports in a nutshell, hopefully that provided some insight .

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by Bjjexpertise@be

I've done both arts (competed in them as well) and I love them both equally! The two arts are essentially one and the same with different emphasis. Judo, to a beginner, is very counter-intuitive (i.e. you're supposed to stand straight although instinct has you bending over because you dont' want to get thrown) and takes a lot of time to hone the technical intricacies and timing of each move. BJJ, I feel, has a higher learning curve in that a person who's been doing it a month can almost always trump someone who's never done it before. This is not to say that one art is superior to the other, just that one definitely takes a little more time and dedication to get right.

Both arts have figured out their expertise to a T but truly lack finesse in the opposite (Judo newaza was nothing spectacular from what I've seen while BJJ standup was nowhere near as good as that as good Judoka).

As far as competition goes both arts have a lot of flaws with the rules. BJJ has the retarded guard jumping and butt scooting that are allowed while Judo has everything from bans on certain grips due to too much dominance it gives you and the emphasis on turtling on the ground to avoid groundwork.

BJJ is currently riding the popularity wave of UFC/MMA so it'll be a lot easier to find a good school in that discipline that Judo. It's incredibly hard to find a Judo school in most cities, let alone a good one.

Injuries, I've been relatively lucky when it comes to avoiding major injuries but the most injuries I've ever sustained was from doing Judo. Even if your ukemi is excellent you're still getting rocketted towards the floor. In my time in Judo I've hurt alot of my Uke's too, sadly; I've broken two arms, two fingers, and a shoulder, and I've only been doing it for 2 years!

That's pretty much all my jumbled thoughts on the sports in a nutshell, hopefully that provided some insight .

Fair enough... I think of them as two branches of the same tree.

If you start with Helio learning from his brother who learned from Madea who learned from Kano it's easy enough to see how "Judo" today (Olympic style) is different from Judo of old. They are essentially the same. Only the rules of the game(s) have changed. Change the rules, change the focus on training, change the game.

To each his own but it's all Judo to me. Headbutts, open hand striking, kicking, elbow blows, knee strikes, tantojutsu...throwing and grappling. Gotta love it!

[mellow]

The Judo I learned at college had a good bit of emphasis on newaza. I think it has to do mainly with marketing. Groundwork to the untrained eye is like watching paint dry. . . .

[Mat Rant]

Judo clubs vary widely as to the amount of groundwork they do.

And they seem to have painted themselves into a corner with regards to their finances and the (cheap) costs of doing Judo. For years and years the cost of one year of Judo has been less than the cost of doing one month of BJJ, and now some Judoka are feeling pretty resentful about that disparity. I can't say I blame them either...

[reedk]

Wasn't Jujitsu developed from Judo originally. Yeah i agree you can spend a lot on MMA Jujitsu training in one month and spend about the same for many months training in Judo. You can probably find free Judo cclubs to join with maybe minor membership dues or a jujistu school that has at least a $40/month fee.

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[WildWest.]

I trained at a Judo club last night for the first time......bloody good fun!!

[muaythai1]

I Think that BJJ vs Judo makes for interesting chatter when you are behind the keyboard. Both Judo and BJJ come from the same place and it is these similarities that create the debate. Judo is better, no it's not, BJJ is better. Both arts have their Values and their Problems. It could be debated until the cows come home which art is better. Both arts have great value, and both arts can learn from each other. I started in Judo and have trained in BJJ also. I enjoy both arts equally but in my opinion, I think Judo is stronger. Now I am saying this after only training BJJ for about 6 months and training Judo for most of my life. Will my opinion change over time probably. Does my opinion right now devalue BJJ in my mind, absolutely not. I am still a Huge advocate of Judo, because throws haven't let me down yet. There have been a couple throws that I have used in Self Defense that I didn't need groundwork to finish. I am not a firm believer in fair fights when you fall to the ground in a crowd. Where I am from unless it's at work fights are rarely one on one.

I think the debate Judo vs BJJ is interesting, until it starts to hit below the belt.

[reedk]

Didn't Jujitsu actually originate from Judo?

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[TTEscrima]

Originally Posted by reedk

Didn't Jujitsu actually originate from Judo?

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JJJ was first, that was watered down to create the Sport or "way" of Judo (hence the "do" on the end) GJJ was then created from the sport of Judo.

The act of renaming the art as though it were a martial art when in fact it was and is a sport was an early indication of the honesty and values of the people responsible. Today they offer pure sport and call it combatives, they got an inch and went for a mile.

[reedk]

Thanks for the informative info. I did tkae judo and jujitsu previously. I guess its also good to knwo where their history came from too.

thanks

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[sojobow]

Would you believe I lost a match last night (3 to 1)? Rules were "only BJJ and or Judo" type techniques. No punches, kicks/knees, 3 limbs touch the ground cost you a point. I train in Ninjitsu. Get this: The opponent was about a foot shorter than me and built like a fire hydrant. He didn't really throw me with good techniques but my problem was that my hands kept slipping and, due to sweat, my counters didn't work. I wore a gi but he didn't. Good thing I now know is that there is no "rule" that says that I can't take off my gi so it was a bad decision (or lack thereof).

Biggest problem was that I couldn't use Ninjitsu. When he grabed my gi, all I saw were methods of breaking his fingers, ripping out his eves, unscrewing his head but the rules were against me. He tried a shoot and all I saw was disjointing his head from his neck and spine . But, he got points even when I got behind him, countered to throw him on his back but my hands kept slipping and I'd lose balance from the force related to the pull. Just think, I grabbed him behind the neck, tried tomeo nage and my hands would slip. Got to get rid of excuses though.

I want a rematch. Foot taller but I'll spead my stance and get my center below his (and take off my gi top). Judo is his training style but I should still have won. I don't fight head-on, but I should have no problem beating a BJJ/Judo fighter in his own game. Next match, he'll see the Ninjitsu version of Jujitsu. I hate losing.

[sojobow]

Originally Posted by reedk

Thanks for the informative info. I did tkae judo and jujitsu previously. I guess its also good to knwo where their history came from too. thanks

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Try this link: judo history archive by m. tripp or Jujutsu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Tant01]

Coach Tripp is good at Sambo as well as JJ and judo. I think he holds 8th dan in JJ and 5 or 6th in kodokan Judo.

Good stuff.