Catch Wrestling biggest problem=Tony C - Page 2

Mr. Miyagi · 08-08-2001, 09:07 AM

The day a catch wrestler taps out a well-known bjj competitor is the day I will acknowledge catch as legit. Seriously, where the hell were they before the bjj rev?

duchman · 08-08-2001, 09:58 AM

right under yo nose
http://lutter.multimania.com/

Groin Grab · 08-08-2001, 01:17 PM

As far as I have studied Catch as Catch Can Wrestling came from europe and later evovled into ProWrestling which has been around for a long time. Thanks for your post Dutchman I think I'll move to another thread since no one is really posting any legitimate information here.

billc · 08-08-2001, 02:48 PM

Groin Grab,

I too study bjj (blue belt), and I also study sambo, and I have the Tony C. Catch wrestling series. I find that Catch is a good addition to my bjj training. There are plenty of techniques and stategies that fill some of the holes in bjj (I am sure not all will agree here). As far as Catch being a "loose game", well I find quite the opposite. Catch hold downs are quite controlling and sometimes downright painful because of the use of pressure and leverage, which is used to set-up submissions quite effectively.
As far as Catch being like "pro-wrestling", nothing could be further from the truth. Does anyone think that Ken Shamrock, Sakuraba, Mark Coleman, or Mark Kerr aren't legit in MMA? They are just a few among many of todays top MMA stars who also do some pro-wrestling. Old time Catch wrestlers may have been pro-wrestlers for money/earning a living reasons, but as far as I am concerned, Catch wrestling as taught by Tony C. is as effective as my bjj training or any other art for that matter. You could only benefit from his material if you give it a chance. You will notice that many of those who are negative about Catch wrestling are the ones who have never tried to learn it, or even seen Catch, whether it be on video or in person.
Well, that's my opinion on Catch wrestling and if you are open minded enough to give it a try I am sure you will find it quite useful as well.
billc

Groin Grab · 08-09-2001, 02:37 AM

Thanks for the information billc. I try my best to have an open mind. I think I will give those tapes a chance after all and see what I can learn from them thanks for posting.

Tape Lord · 08-10-2001, 09:38 AM

I'm not impressed. I still say Tony C, is bad for catch wrestling.

Tape Lord

billc · 08-10-2001, 02:49 PM

"I'm not impressed. I still say Tony C, is bad for catch wrestling."

To each his own Tape lord! Groin grab was looking for opinions on Tony, which you have given, and now I have given, so let it go.

bobby_steeles · 08-10-2001, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by duchman
groin grab,
this is not realy the place to ask. Most of the people above are trolls, they only diss people and talk sh*t. tape lod and shimora and John Matao are all the same people.

duchman, i'm tired of your punk ass. you are as bad as any troll on here if not worse. this is the second or third time i have seen you trying to persuade someone from posting on mousel's forum. if you have a problem with this forum why don't YOU stay off of it intsead of trying to chase others away.

Hawk · 08-10-2001, 03:32 PM

I know Tony C. and I don't think he's bad for anything. He's a nice guy and obviously has some techniques that a strong, atheletic man could put to good use. Matt Furey has some excellent books
IMO, especially the Combat Conditioning Book. Matt has told me in conversation strength is not needed in Catch. Tony C. says a little different. IMO both are pushing Catch so I don't see that they are hurting it. If Catch is worth it, then it will catch on, as has GJJ/BJJ.
Hawk

duchman · 08-10-2001, 04:00 PM

most off matt furey's stuff is a waste of money if you ask me.

tony's stuff for me any day

duchman · 08-10-2001, 04:10 PM

bobby steales if very easy to find, got a problem with me say it to my face instead of talking behind that computer.

Aaron Karels
aaron@chello.nl

bobby_steeles · 08-10-2001, 04:34 PM

i don't know what the hell you just said, but i already told your ass what my problem is, and it's a problem for the forum: stop chasing posters away. instead of trying to act like a "tuff guy" why don't you try acting like you aren't 14 years old.

taba · 08-10-2001, 05:03 PM

bobby,

as a new visitor here, can tell you it not dutchman that chasing me away. really don't have patience for wading thru tape lord/shimora/etc posts. kill the trolls and see posts go up.

duchman · 08-10-2001, 05:08 PM

thanks taba, most people on here are great, but we have some ass holes on here.

Bobby, again. talk shit to my face. i'm not going to wast my energy to you ever the net

Tape Lord · 08-11-2001, 05:53 AM

bobby_steeles is correct.

Duchman is a ladyboy.

Tape Lord

08-08-2001, 09:58 AM	#17 (permalink)
duchman Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: holland Posts: 1,034 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	right under yo nose http://lutter.multimania.com/ __________________ Aaron "Duchman" Karels

08-08-2001, 02:48 PM	#19 (permalink)
billc Novice Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ma. Posts: 2 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Tony C. Groin Grab, I too study bjj (blue belt), and I also study sambo, and I have the Tony C. Catch wrestling series. I find that Catch is a good addition to my bjj training. There are plenty of techniques and stategies that fill some of the holes in bjj (I am sure not all will agree here). As far as Catch being a "loose game", well I find quite the opposite. Catch hold downs are quite controlling and sometimes downright painful because of the use of pressure and leverage, which is used to set-up submissions quite effectively. As far as Catch being like "pro-wrestling", nothing could be further from the truth. Does anyone think that Ken Shamrock, Sakuraba, Mark Coleman, or Mark Kerr aren't legit in MMA? They are just a few among many of todays top MMA stars who also do some pro-wrestling. Old time Catch wrestlers may have been pro-wrestlers for money/earning a living reasons, but as far as I am concerned, Catch wrestling as taught by Tony C. is as effective as my bjj training or any other art for that matter. You could only benefit from his material if you give it a chance. You will notice that many of those who are negative about Catch wrestling are the ones who have never tried to learn it, or even seen Catch, whether it be on video or in person. Well, that's my opinion on Catch wrestling and if you are open minded enough to give it a try I am sure you will find it quite useful as well. billc Last edited by billc; 08-08-2001 at 03:22 PM.

08-10-2001, 09:38 AM	#21 (permalink)
Tape Lord Novice Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 96 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm not impressed. I still say Tony C, is bad for catch wrestling. Tape Lord __________________ "Hey Guy Mezger, if you make any mistakes I'll knock you out again" -Vanderlei Silva

08-10-2001, 02:49 PM	#22 (permalink)
billc Novice Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ma. Posts: 2 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	jenny "I'm not impressed. I still say Tony C, is bad for catch wrestling." To each his own Tape lord! Groin grab was looking for opinions on Tony, which you have given, and now I have given, so let it go.

08-10-2001, 03:32 PM	#24 (permalink)
Hawk Master Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 2,081 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I know Tony C. and I don't think he's bad for anything. He's a nice guy and obviously has some techniques that a strong, atheletic man could put to good use. Matt Furey has some excellent books IMO, especially the Combat Conditioning Book. Matt has told me in conversation strength is not needed in Catch. Tony C. says a little different. IMO both are pushing Catch so I don't see that they are hurting it. If Catch is worth it, then it will catch on, as has GJJ/BJJ. Hawk __________________ You cannot run away from a weakness; Sometimes you must fight it out or perish; And if that be so; Why not now and where you stand.

08-08-2001, 09:07 AM	#16 (permalink)
Mr. Miyagi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 719 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	The day a catch wrestler taps out a well-known bjj competitor is the day I will acknowledge catch as legit. Seriously, where the hell were they before the bjj rev?

08-08-2001, 01:17 PM	#18 (permalink)
Groin Grab Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 104 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	As far as I have studied Catch as Catch Can Wrestling came from europe and later evovled into ProWrestling which has been around for a long time. Thanks for your post Dutchman I think I'll move to another thread since no one is really posting any legitimate information here.

08-09-2001, 02:37 AM	#20 (permalink)
Groin Grab Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 104 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the information billc. I try my best to have an open mind. I think I will give those tapes a chance after all and see what I can learn from them thanks for posting.

08-10-2001, 04:00 PM	#25 (permalink)
duchman Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: holland Posts: 1,034 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	most off matt furey's stuff is a waste of money if you ask me. tony's stuff for me any day __________________ Aaron "Duchman" Karels

08-10-2001, 04:10 PM	#26 (permalink)
duchman Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: holland Posts: 1,034 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	bobby steales if very easy to find, got a problem with me say it to my face instead of talking behind that computer. Aaron Karels aaron@chello.nl __________________ Aaron "Duchman" Karels

08-10-2001, 04:34 PM	#27 (permalink)
bobby_steeles Advanced Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: in front of my computer Posts: 650 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	i don't know what the hell you just said, but i already told your ass what my problem is, and it's a problem for the forum: stop chasing posters away. instead of trying to act like a "tuff guy" why don't you try acting like you aren't 14 years old.

08-10-2001, 05:03 PM	#28 (permalink)
taba Novice Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: hawaii Posts: 14 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	bobby, as a new visitor here, can tell you it not dutchman that chasing me away. really don't have patience for wading thru tape lord/shimora/etc posts. kill the trolls and see posts go up.

08-10-2001, 05:08 PM	#29 (permalink)
duchman Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: holland Posts: 1,034 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	thanks taba, most people on here are great, but we have some ass holes on here. Bobby, again. talk shit to my face. i'm not going to wast my energy to you ever the net __________________ Aaron "Duchman" Karels

08-11-2001, 05:53 AM	#30 (permalink)
Tape Lord Novice Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 96 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	bobby_steeles is correct. Duchman is a ladyboy. Tape Lord __________________ "Hey Guy Mezger, if you make any mistakes I'll knock you out again" -Vanderlei Silva

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