What is the diffrence with BRAZILIAN JUJITSU AND JAPANESE JUJITSU?

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by Tant01

Fun looking demo...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjRpTNWv7dY

That's JJJ also. Fancy shit doesn't work in real fights but ugly shit does. LOL

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by Tant01

I'm not impressed. Fool contact what? Most of the "jujutsu" i was taught is not the stuff you can do with your friends. It's just not right to break people like that. What I see looks like ramped up randori. Or run of the mill MMA... Groin kicks aside.

LOL To each his own.

Well, those Pollocks play ruff Bro!!!Better than nothing is what I always say. Every one thinks their martial art is the best but the truth is there is no bad art, it's how you apply it. Anyway, thanks for posting the links---definately not BJJ!!

[DJColdfusion]

Originally Posted by Tant01

This topic has been done to death. Do a search. BJJ came from Judo which came from JJJ.

The confusion comes from the Gracie family calling what they do "Jiu-Jitsu"

BJJ is Judo newaza. (matwork)

Hmm, you're a genius aren't you?

The Gracies named their art Jiu-Jitsu because Esai Maeda called it Jiu-Jitsu . . . oh, and so did Kano in the early days when he referenced his art as Kano JuJutsu (see The Complete Kano Jiu-Jitsu , (New York: Dover Publications, 1905))

And as anyone who has actually done the research can tell you, the Judo of 1905 was nothing like the Judo of today.

So, if you want to rip on the Gracies for using the name their teacher used then maybe you ought to take it up with Kano's gost because it was the same name Kano used when he first established his art.

Thank you very much

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by DJColdfusion

Hmm, you're a genius aren't you?

nope, only slightly above average.

Any more questions?

[blitz]

Originally Posted by Tant01

This topic has been done to death. Do a search. BJJ came from Judo which came from JJJ.

The confusion comes from the Gracie family calling what they do "Jiu-Jitsu"

BJJ is Judo newaza. (matwork)

See the problem is this thread has been here since 2001, and someone decided to bump it!

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

Originally Posted by DJColdfusion

Hmm, you're a genius aren't you?

The Gracies named their art Jiu-Jitsu because Esai Maeda called it Jiu-Jitsu . . . oh, and so did Kano in the early days when he referenced his art as Kano JuJutsu (see The Complete Kano Jiu-Jitsu , (New York: Dover Publications, 1905))

And as anyone who has actually done the research can tell you, the Judo of 1905 was nothing like the Judo of today.

So, if you want to rip on the Gracies for using the name their teacher used then maybe you ought to take it up with Kano's gost because it was the same name Kano used when he first established his art.

Thank you very much

chill out, no one ripped on the Gracie's, he just pointed out a source of confusion. anyway, you don't want to get into it with Tanto over judo history

Surely, regardless of what it's called, as someone who apparently knows a bit about the subject, you can see the bjj grew out of judo and not jjj?

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by blitz

See the problem is this thread has been here since 2001, and someone decided to bump it!

I'm the one who bumped it because I was reading "WHOS ONLINE" and I saw that people were viewing this thread. I only bumped it to mention the youtube vid of "Full contact jujitsu in poland" The vid shows a good representation of JJJ.

[DJColdfusion]

Originally Posted by The_Judo_Jibboo

chill out, no one ripped on the Gracie's, he just pointed out a source of confusion. anyway, you don't want to get into it with Tanto over judo history

Surely, regardless of what it's called, as someone who apparently knows a bit about the subject, you can see the bjj grew out of judo and not jjj?

Of course it grew out of Judo, but to reference it as newaza is not oly insulting to Maeda and his history in JuJitsu and Judo.

Judo kicks ass and I've enjoyed the hell out of it when I have had the chance to train it but BJJ is not Judo newaza. There are a number of similar techniques but if you actually have some experience in BJJ then you just cannot make that claim.

Look at someone like Dave Camarillo, who is a fairly decent Judoka, and how he references the two arts. How about Olympian Rhadi Ferguson and what he does with the arts? Both men praise BJJ for how much it has helped their newaza but niether would agree with tanto's assertion that BJJ is Judo newaza.

[DJColdfusion]

Originally Posted by Tant01

nope, only slightly above average.

Any more questions?

That was actually very funny . . . no more questions.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

ne= ground

waza= technique

doesn't sound too insulting to me

i suppose i can see how you could see it as insulting to refer to it specifically as judo newaza because it sounds like the equivalent of saying bjj is just half of judo, but i don't think that's the claim being made. but i do think you would be hard pressed to come up with more than a handful of techniques used in bjj that didn't come through the filter of judo. that's not to diminish bjj in any way, i certainly don't feel that judo is diminished for it's techniques coming from jjj.

[jubaji]

Too much Koolaide results in defensiveness.

[DJColdfusion]

I believe that the truly dedicated students of BJJ are proud of their Judo heritage, I am. I love training with every Judoka I get the chance to train with. The Judo heritage isn't the issue, especially since Helio Gracie is/was a 6th Dan (http://www.judoinfo.com/kimura2.htm). The referencing of BJJ as "Judo newaza" is the issue and it is incorrect and yes I do believe tanto was attempting to slight BJJ, Helio, and the decades of work and development by the rest of the Gracies and their students in his post.

[DJColdfusion]

Originally Posted by jubaji

Too much Koolaide results in defensiveness.

I'm from Utah . . . its all about the Jello.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by DJColdfusion

I believe that the truly dedicated students of BJJ are proud of their Judo heritage, I am. I love training with every Judoka I get the chance to train with. The Judo heritage isn't the issue, especially since Helio Gracie is/was a 6th Dan (http://www.judoinfo.com/kimura2.htm). The referencing of BJJ as "Judo newaza" is the issue and it is incorrect and yes I do believe tanto was attempting to slight BJJ, Helio, and the decades of work and development by the rest of the Gracies and their students in his post.

Buy the hype then... (I really don't care how you spend your money)

Enjoy your training and continue propagating the myth and confusion.

You are free to call Helio "Grand Master" and bow to his picture...




"If someone points a gun at you, of course, you will be scared. But jiu-jutsu gives me the equivalent of a bullet proof shield. It protects me from head to toe, plus it gives me the ability to take a gun away."


Helio Gracie. via Doug Jeffrey.

From the April '05 issue of GRAPPLING magazine

[DJColdfusion]

Originally Posted by Tant01

Buy the hype then... (I really don't care how you spend your money)

Enjoy your training and continue propagating the myth and confusion.

You are free to call Helio "Grand Master" and bow to his picture...




"If someone points a gun at you, of course, you will be scared. But jiu-jutsu gives me the equivalent of a bullet proof shield. It protects me from head to toe, plus it gives me the ability to take a gun away."


Helio Gracie. via Doug Jeffrey.

From the April '05 issue of GRAPPLING magazine

Well The_Judo_Jibboo, I'm pretty sure that removes any doubt about whether or not he was trying to be insulting.