What is the diffrence with BRAZILIAN JUJITSU AND JAPANESE JUJITSU?

[crazyjoe380]

i know bjj is an off shoot of japanese jujitsu..


but here's the problem

i want to talk jujitsu, and brazilain jj is real expensive to where regular jj is only 55$ a month


i want to work on my ground fighting...but....
this is what the regular jujitsu says:


JUJITSU TAKE DOWN TECHNIQUES:

01. Heel-To-Heel Trip
02. Pendulum Sweep
03. Heel-Hook Take Down
04. Forearm-To-Inside Of Leg Take Down
05. Outside Rear Leg Take Down
06. Cross-Leg Leg Take Down
07. Rear Forearm Twist-Torque Take Down
08. Inside Knee hook Take Down
09. Reverse Knee Wheel (As Opponent Walks Past You)
10. Lower Foot Sweep
11. Wrist Flex Take Down
12. Ulna Press Take Down
13. Bar Arm Take Down
14. Reverse-Arm Take Down
15. Front-Draw Elbow Take Down
16. Rope-Pull Take Down
17. Rear Body Drop Take Down


JUJITSU TRAINING DRILLS:

01. Phase One Drills
02. Kneeling Drills
03. Circle Of Terror Drills
04. Technique Line Drills
05. Firing Line Drills





but it also says:

QUESTION: Do you teach only ground grappling?

ANSWER: No. We do teach ground fighting, but the emphasis is on learning a “complete” martial art. By practicing “only” ground fighting techniques, you are betting your life that there is only one attacker. That’s not a good bet!



IS THIS RIGHT? WHAT IS JUJITSU? AND HOW CAN IT BENIFIT ME?

[Szczepankiewicz]

BJJ and especially GJJ is really popular, and has been for years now. This makes it a highly demanded product. This means that the (relatively) few instructors who are able to teach it will be able to charge whatever they want.

Say they charge $100 a month for classes. If you go once a week, you pay 25 a class. If you go twice a week it's 12.50 a class, etc, etc....

BJJ is something that will excite you and you will have good training partners all the time. Eager to train and learn new techniques. You will most definitely get your money's worth.

However, if you go traditional Jujutsu you may run into the following issues:

Point #1 No full contact training? If this is the case walk away. Anyone who "trains" in anything other than full contact is fooling themselves. It's Ok to hit bags, boards, and do kata, but if you are talking self defense, fuhgettaboutit ! I train with a Kenpo guy and he is lightning fast, but in 10 years of training, he has never trained full contact. He owns me in light contact. My strikes are slow as molasses compared to his. But I strike hard and often and I know I can take a barrage of strikes and turn around and dish it out.

I was in my dojo for about 6 months and when I learned enough to stop hitting myself in the head we trained fully padded, full contact. I have been training for about 2.5 years now and I am fully competent in self defense (see also run fast and squeal like a little girl...)! But that is a story for another time...


Point #2, who are you training with and what are they teaching you? You can usually tell what your getting into with BJJ (source information in magazines, tv, and the internet) With individual arts of Japanese styles, it is much harder to know what you're in for.

Now I am not saying that BJJ is the do all end all, but for most other arts I have studied (about) it is right up there at the top.

BJJ is definitely overpriced because the Gracies came up here to make money. If you want a piece of the pie, you have to pay the baker. Simple economics: The American Way. Nothing wrong with that.

However, you could check out the local judo clubs. They address most issues that I have talked about, and you can usually get all the practice you want for the price of a heavy weight gi.

As for the do all end all martial art style, if you find that, please let the rest of us know...

Luck,

SZ

[dan downard]

#5 explained the differance pretty simply.
They are baisicaly the same,but on the ground you isolate the opponant to limit his escapes.
If the standup jits class also teaches the ground techniques I would say you are very lucky.That would be a good school to go to.
Of course instructors and their ability are going to be the deciding factor.But ,the idea is sound.



P.S.#5 is Gene Simpco.

[crazyjoe380]

Thanks guys, both of you have been a great help. i mean boxing and muy thai is always gonna be my heart, but i really like jujitsu...so i'm gonna try it out..

peace

[sidder]

I do both bjj and jjj. If ground fighting is your priority, modern bjj is absolutely unparallelled, in my opinion. Check it out b4 you make up your mind

[Hardball]

Check out "FULL CONTACT JUJITSU IN POLAND" on youtube. It's one of the best short clips I have seen on JJJ.

[DJColdfusion]

I trained Japanes JuJutsu for a couple of years and I loved it. I am now a brown belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and I love it too.

My Japanese Jiu-Jitsu did a little of everything, including arm bars, leg locks, and the equivalent of BJJ's kimura and Americana (which we referred to as branch locks. Kimura=Branch down, Americana=branch up). We worked traditional weapons, sparring, and I was even starting to learn Japanese Caligraphy. I actually trained at the school for six months doing nothing but falls and rolls before the instructor let me put on a white belt.

I remember the day that I got the belt because I had never really done forward rolls exactly the way he wanted me to and the guy was SUPER frustrated with me and ready to just kick me out as hopeless. However, he walked over to his personal sword, that he practiced cuts with (sharp as hell) pulls it out of its scabbard and hands it to me and says "do the roll, but hold this" and he showed me how to hold it.

I had to do my roll over a bar that had been ballanced along the top/backs of two chairs, so it was a jumping/leaping roll, which (if you know me) is probably something that is rather humorous to imagine. Anyway, I stood there knowing that if I didn't do the roll perfectly then I'd be going to the emergency room with a f*ckin' katana sticking out of my gut.

I ran, leaped, rolled, survived, and was allowed to wear my belt after that.

My last day in class we were working sword techniques and my instructor was whipping off strikes with his bokken at various angles surrounding my head. After a good ten minutes of constant drilling I pushed my right hand out too far when performing an outer/upper left vertical block and the tip of his bokken clipped my left cheek and rammed into my eye socket.

The next day I flew to Colorado Springs for a job interview with the black eye from hell. My eye had actually turned completely red from the blood that leaked into it. I spent the entire day (8 1 hour interviews) opening each conversation with an explanation for the appearance of my eye.

And yes, I had a great time training Japanese Jiu-Jitsu.

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ) is a completely different beast. The two arts may branch off of the same tree but they are truly completely different arts.

I would rather train BJJ than breathe . . . and I've proved that on more than one occasion. There is an art/esthetic to it that I cannot explain. It is an intellectual, personal, emotional, and creative process that offers much more than just "ground fighting".

And anyone who says it isn't useful on the street or even when faced with multiple attackers is a stupid bastard. Great instructors will help you prepare for those possibilities/eventualities. The art itself has the tools; however, many instructors choose to specialize in a specific area. I really see myself on more of the selfdefense side than the sport side of the art but I also recognize that participation in the sport side gives you the timing, balance, explosiveness and experience that will not only sharpen your self defense work but will ultimately give you the tools necessary to actually use the art for self defense.

And besides, there's nothing quite as fun as wrapping your arms around some guys neck and hear him go "urggghhhACHurghachach!" before tapping out . . . man, excuse me, I've got to go choke someone!

[Tant01]

This topic has been done to death. Do a search. BJJ came from Judo which came from JJJ.

The confusion comes from the Gracie family calling what they do "Jiu-Jitsu"

BJJ is Judo newaza. (matwork)

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by Tant01

This topic has been done to death. Do a search. BJJ came from Judo which came from JJJ.

The confusion comes from the Gracie family calling what they do "Jiu-Jitsu"

BJJ is Judo newaza. (matwork)

I only bumped this very old thread to bring attention to the vid on youtube. "full contact jujitsu in poland" No since in writing a new thread for that purpose. Besides, I don't know how to embed a youtube link into a thread. I see peeps do it but I have no idea how its done. Now maybe this ancient thread will serve a new and useful purpose.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by Hardball

I only bumped this very old thread to bring attention to the vid on youtube. "full contact jujitsu in poland" .....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...50435368865797


This one?

[Mr. Miyagi]

The problem with JJJ is that most of the schools out there that claim to teach it are not really legit. I'm sure there are some good schools for it but the few that I've seen have been really bad. It could be the ideal martial art to practice, in theory.

BJJ and Judo techniques, though limited to grappling, have been passed down throughout the years, tried, perfected, and proven.

That forward roll sounds pretty scary.

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by Tant01

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...50435368865797


This one?

Yea that's it. That's JJJ.

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by Mr. Miyagi

The problem with JJJ is that most of the schools out there that claim to teach it are not really legit. I'm sure there are some good schools for it but the few that I've seen have been really bad. It could be the ideal martial art to practice, in theory.

BJJ and Judo techniques, though limited to grappling, have been passed down throughout the years, tried, perfected, and proven.

That forward roll sounds pretty scary.

That could be true for any system under the sun depending on the background of the Head Instructor.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by Hardball

Yea that's it. That's JJJ.

I'm not impressed. Fool contact what? Most of the "jujutsu" i was taught is not the stuff you can do with your friends. It's just not right to break people like that. What I see looks like ramped up randori. Or run of the mill MMA... Groin kicks aside.

LOL To each his own.

[Tant01]

Fun looking demo...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjRpTNWv7dY