BBJ for the anto-violent

GuardMaster · 12-31-2001, 12:32 PM

I'll say it up front that I'm more into the chess game, strategic aspect of BJJ / MMA than the bloody violent aspect. With that said, I would feel more ambitious pursuing a goal of personal development in BJJ if it revolved around technique more than blood and guts.

For example over the last few weeks I'm been organizing my return to BJJ and getting excited over it by watching whatever video I can and reading about it whenever I can and guess what I run in to 95% of the time. BLOOD. Broken Noses. Punishment. etc etc This would be fine if I was a 17 year old who wanted to break someones nose but I'm not anymore

I am a computer programmer. I do that for a living. I see BJJ and MMA as a technical chess game, and exercises outlet. I get bored, disgusted, and feel like looking to other outlets when the violent aspect pops in more than the strategic chess aspects.

After all how many of us would want personal development ina field dedicated to violence? Is it just me or is the violent aspect of the game wherever you look?

As a full time IT consultant (computer programmer) I've never been much of a brawler , and I would rather make lot of $$$ in my field than invest additional time in violence. Unless I'm looking in the wrong places. Any resources for the technical, chess, strategy aspect of the games as opposed to violence?

I think Roy Harris was the best I could find so far. he makes BJJ/MMA sound like studying for an exam rather than hurting people. This is what I'm attracted to.

aseepish · 12-31-2001, 03:01 PM

Perhaps you should try full-contact chess! The rules are similar to chess excepting whenever one wants to capture a piece, one must duke it out! Winner takes the piece!

aseepish · 12-31-2001, 03:06 PM

Oh my god! I'm still on Singapore time! It's 2002 and I didn't even realize it!

Cheers!

soho · 01-06-2002, 11:22 PM

As we have all heard before The reason it's called "Martial Arts" and not "Arts Martial" is because the first thing you are training is how to fight.

Not really sure what the problem is as far as BJJ. I try to roll hard at least 4 times a week and it's pretty rare that I see anyone’s "blood or guts." I do get a good work out though, and have a good time. I think you can only appreciate the "chess/strategic" aspects of the game when you are going fast and hard. Example finding the time to get to your knees when a guys passing your guard. Or creating the pressure to pull of a sweep.

I think the same is true with MMA/ Vale Tudo the strategic aspect can not be separated from the physical aspect. That’s what makes it so great.

If you want to train for Vale Tudo you will probably get some bumps and bruises. However with BJJ you can go pretty much as hard as you want without very many injuries.

I would not consider MMA to be violent; rather it's a physical sport. A mugging is violent, MMA is athletic. Saying you like the strategic aspect but not the athletic aspect doesn't make any sense.

The oldest guy at the place I role is 50. If he can do it I really don't have any excuse.

defendu.com · 01-14-2002, 12:41 AM

I think it depends on the club or school you go to.

Try some of the Gracie training associations (all of the brothers). The ones that I've seen are very interested in the technical aspects of the art.

12-31-2001, 12:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
GuardMaster Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 207	BBJ for the anto-violent I'll say it up front that I'm more into the chess game, strategic aspect of BJJ / MMA than the bloody violent aspect. With that said, I would feel more ambitious pursuing a goal of personal development in BJJ if it revolved around technique more than blood and guts. For example over the last few weeks I'm been organizing my return to BJJ and getting excited over it by watching whatever video I can and reading about it whenever I can and guess what I run in to 95% of the time. BLOOD. Broken Noses. Punishment. etc etc This would be fine if I was a 17 year old who wanted to break someones nose but I'm not anymore I am a computer programmer. I do that for a living. I see BJJ and MMA as a technical chess game, and exercises outlet. I get bored, disgusted, and feel like looking to other outlets when the violent aspect pops in more than the strategic chess aspects. After all how many of us would want personal development ina field dedicated to violence? Is it just me or is the violent aspect of the game wherever you look? As a full time IT consultant (computer programmer) I've never been much of a brawler , and I would rather make lot of $$$ in my field than invest additional time in violence. Unless I'm looking in the wrong places. Any resources for the technical, chess, strategy aspect of the games as opposed to violence? I think Roy Harris was the best I could find so far. he makes BJJ/MMA sound like studying for an exam rather than hurting people. This is what I'm attracted to.

12-31-2001, 03:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
aseepish Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: British Columbia Posts: 1,628	Chess game Perhaps you should try full-contact chess! The rules are similar to chess excepting whenever one wants to capture a piece, one must duke it out! Winner takes the piece! __________________ "It was about that time I realized that searching was my symbol, the emblem of those who go out at night with nothing in mind, the motives of a destroyer of compasses." -Cortázar

12-31-2001, 03:06 PM	#3 (permalink)
aseepish Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: British Columbia Posts: 1,628	Singapore time! Oh my god! I'm still on Singapore time! It's 2002 and I didn't even realize it! Cheers! __________________ "It was about that time I realized that searching was my symbol, the emblem of those who go out at night with nothing in mind, the motives of a destroyer of compasses." -Cortázar

01-14-2002, 12:41 AM	#5 (permalink)
defendu.com Novice Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Phoenix, Ariz. Posts: 26	Try the Gracies I think it depends on the club or school you go to. Try some of the Gracie training associations (all of the brothers). The ones that I've seen are very interested in the technical aspects of the art.

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01-06-2002, 11:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
soho Novice Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 83	As we have all heard before The reason it's called "Martial Arts" and not "Arts Martial" is because the first thing you are training is how to fight. Not really sure what the problem is as far as BJJ. I try to roll hard at least 4 times a week and it's pretty rare that I see anyone’s "blood or guts." I do get a good work out though, and have a good time. I think you can only appreciate the "chess/strategic" aspects of the game when you are going fast and hard. Example finding the time to get to your knees when a guys passing your guard. Or creating the pressure to pull of a sweep. I think the same is true with MMA/ Vale Tudo the strategic aspect can not be separated from the physical aspect. That’s what makes it so great. If you want to train for Vale Tudo you will probably get some bumps and bruises. However with BJJ you can go pretty much as hard as you want without very many injuries. I would not consider MMA to be violent; rather it's a physical sport. A mugging is violent, MMA is athletic. Saying you like the strategic aspect but not the athletic aspect doesn't make any sense. The oldest guy at the place I role is 50. If he can do it I really don't have any excuse.

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