Pulver ****ing tapped!!!!!

[Roy Gaflaer]

What Pulver tapped in the second round to that armbar!!! I don't thinks so

[Rob B]

Well it really doesn't matter does it, If the bell rings the round is over. Anything that happens after the fact DOES NOT COUNT. BJ didn't complain, he knew the rules going in there; he should get a rematch though.

[Tim Mousel]

I totally agree. After the bell rings the round is over. You can't submit someone during the rest period! Pulver hears the bell ring, relaxes his defense and taps to avoid injury...no big deal.

Tim

[macdawg]

BS he was relaxing. Tim it is a big deal, and no I am not being a hater cuz Jens won. It is BS because this is about fighting, Jens got dominated the 2nd round, if it was a real fight then Jens woulda had his arm broken PERIOD, and thats what its all about to me, real fighting. Thats the appeal of this sort of thing to a lot of people, thats why I started MA's personally.

To Jens credit, within the time limits anyone would agree he won, that is great I was scared just seeing how motivated he is he is unreal and is a completely bad man, but like I said I care about fighting and he is not a better fighter than BJ Penn no matter how you look at it. He is not a better fighter.

BTW, anyone feel free to disagree (I know you will anyway) but please don't bash just because I think Jens is not a better fighter. Pulver did great keeping out of trouble on the ground other than the arm bar thing I was discussing, had great punches standing & on the ground, and has unbelievable spirit.

[Angel_of_Pain]

UFC is NOT street fighting, it's a sports, if Mike Tyson would continue a combo after the bell on Lennox Lewis and knock him out would it count? NO!. There are rules and rules are make to be respected, Jens won a incradible battle between two great warrior.

Now Did Ricco look great or what? really spectacular and dominating.

Murillo new Middlechamp by KO WOW!

Liddel now deserve to face the winner of Ortiz vs. Belfort bout, plain and simple, he as a series of victory againts good opposition, not like a Tanner, Sinosic or a Matushinko. He beat Jeff Monson by simply killing him, Randleman by knockout in under a minute, Mezguer KO in a great fight, Bustamante by close decision and now Suloev in a real striker challange! Give Liddel a chance for the belt!

[Rob B]

Your talking about reality; How about when BJ tried for the standing Guillotine and Jens dumped him hard to the ground, crashing his head into the fence. If that was the street and that was hard cement the fight would have been over. MMA is the closest thing we have to reality but it is still SPORT.

[Tim Mousel]

macdawg -

There is absolutely nothing to dispute. It was not a streetfight. It is a contest with rules. What happens during the rest period does not count! When the bell rings the round is over and it signifies the beginning of the rest period. Anything after the bell does not matter.

Tim

[macdawg]

Okay okay, I'm just glad I got to see them fight each other because they both are the best. I don't care about it and training today my friends were making fun of how irate I was when that round ended.

Yeah, I know Rob, if I were a judge I would have given Pulver round one based on that slam alone, it was scary watching that, but a good scary. Because if I remember correctly that slam was about the only big thing to happen in round one, and yes it was beautiful.

At that time I was yelling for BJ to let go your gonna get slammed, and to some this may sound dirty but I thought it was a wise tactic, it looked like Jens was aiming BJ's head for the post, maybe it was coincidential though or maybe he just wanted to land with BJ Penn against the fence but his head came close to wacking that fence post, and I know that sounds a little too brutal but its part of the game.

Another interesting point was I was actually afraid BJ (I had 5 bucks on him) was going to get KO'd at some point cuz Jens was throwing some crisp punches on the ground that were KO potential, especially when BJ was in half guard.

Seminov vs. Almeida was the fight of the night excitement wise. Seminov seems to have a lot of heart, kept active well as did Almeida, did great keeping on his feet and out of subs while he was on the ground. Almeida I had 10-9 for round one, he missed some good sub attempts, it seemed he had his arm but just not deep enough a couple of times, his knee also, and started going to work on a heel hook but Seminov knew what he was doing and they were in an awkward position for a heel hook to work but his heel was getting turned. The KO shot looked to be right on the temple, perfect execution and even had a nice throw, it was impressive and another underrated technique thats rare to see.

Ricco is on a mission.

Top team and Miletichs seem to be the best fight schools and judging by Top Teams success. Who woulda thought Busta would KO Menne? I think Busta showed everyone hes much more than they expected, even though most guys would avoid the ground with him I thought maybe someone could pull a Shonie Carter type of win on him and it would take a top performance from an unbelievable fighter to beat him. Maybe Liddell wasn't off that night and Busta is that good?

Late

[Rubbaneck]

I've had big respect for Bustamante ever since he fought erickson, and I'm still pissed about him getting screwed against Lidell! But I'm glad to see him fighting regularly and winning too.

[Zhoozhitsu]

Originally posted by Rob B
Your talking about reality; How about when BJ tried for the standing Guillotine and Jens dumped him hard to the ground, crashing his head into the fence. If that was the street and that was hard cement the fight would have been over. MMA is the closest thing we have to reality but it is still SPORT.

Rob, I beg to differ on that point. If this fight were taking place on cement, BJ would've opened his guard and stood up. If this were a street fight though, BJ would've broken Pulver's arm. There's nothing Pulver could've done about that in a street fight.

But I do agree w/ you that this is a sport, and it is darn close to street fights. Meaning, if you lose your fight in the Octagon, there's a good chance you'd lose in a street fight to the same opponent. Not ALWAYS true, but true most of the time.

[Zhoozhitsu]

Tim, I don't think Pulver relaxed his arm after the bell rang. If he did, he'd be an idiot, and I know he's not an idiot. Would you relax your armbar defense after the bell if you got caught in one? Would you trust that your opponent would let go of the armbar as soon as the bell rang?

I think BJ got a legitimate armbar and tap. Too bad he didn't get a chance to do it sooner.

[Tim Mousel]

Zhoo - I don't know whether or not Pulver relaxed after he heard the bell ring. Only Pulver would know that. It is possible though. He hears the bell ring and at that point there is no need to strain unnecessarily when he knows he the ref will stop it or that he could tap without penalty. That is possible but either way it doesn't affect my argument.

The main issue still stands....whatever happens during the rest period does not matter.

Tim

[Zhoozhitsu]

Your original point is well taken, but again, it would be irrational to let down your defenses after the bell rings if your opponent is attempting an armbar. It takes only a split second for your arm to break when you're not resisting. I think a good analogy could be made to a boxer who is being pounded on when the bell rings. He'd be a fool to drop his hands and expect his opponent to stop throwing after the bell. If they were just dancing around w/ no contact, dropping their defenses at the bell would make sense, but not in Pulver's case.

[Tim Mousel]

Zhoo, I agree it would be foolish. I am only saying it was a possibility. Either way, Pulver tapping out doesn't and shouldn't affect the outcome of the fight.

Tim

[Rob B]

Really now, it's easy to state that BJ wouldn't have wrapped his legs on the street. It's just as easy for me to say that Jens would have bitten a chunk of flesh out of BJ's calf if this was the street. Both of these points are nothing more than conjecture. The FACT is that this is a SPORT with rules. Nothing that happens after the bell counts, no matter how much BJJ jockriders want it to.