Tracy......KARATE SUCKS

crazyjoe380 · 01-15-2002, 03:53 PM

suck my dick

YOU KNOW ITS TRUE

GOOD BYE

Szczepankiewicz · 01-15-2002, 03:56 PM

Dude, you might want to chill out on the harsh lingo.... Don't want to get moderated by the overlords....

TracyKarate · 01-15-2002, 04:38 PM

Spoken like a true gang member. I can understand the anger you have towards me because you know that I was right about the artery strike.

Angel_of_Pain · 01-15-2002, 04:44 PM

Hey maybe you dont like Tracey ( I personnely dont like his idea) but hey just calm down. You sound like a yougn karateka who try to be tough but it dont work.

mushinmaster · 01-16-2002, 08:46 AM

Hey I don't agree with hitting a friend in the carotid artery, but don't lose your temper - control is what MA's all about.

crazyjoe380 · 01-16-2002, 10:02 AM

sorry guys..karate dont suck..just wanted to be a jerk with tracy..

TracyKarate · 01-16-2002, 10:54 AM

Thank you guys. It's nice to see a few friends. I don't think Joe is a bad guy, just misguided and young. He stated that he is new to the arts so I am confident that with a good instructor and willingness to learn he will grow out of a lot of the adolescent barriers that gangs put on people in his position in life. Regardless of what has been said about me by him, I am not angry.

crazyjoe380 · 01-16-2002, 11:38 AM

^^^^^6

sorry for disrespecting lol

mabey the slang threw you off ...
but how long you've been in the arts TRACY?

1992-started wrestling stopped in 1994

1994 started muy thai boxing-still doing

1997 started boxing-still do

2000-judo

2001-brazilian jiu jitsu/val tudo

TracyKarate · 01-16-2002, 04:28 PM

I am sorry to burst your bubble, but wrestling and boxing are not martial arts. They are no more martial arts than are bodybuilding or hockey. Muay thai may be considered by some to be an art, but it still remains as a sport with strict rules, protective equipment and a referee.

mushinmaster · 01-16-2002, 10:08 PM

Yo, who do you think you are, classifying what a martial art is and isn't.

Quote:

Martial = of, pertaining to, or concerned with war or the military life

art = a branch of learning

WEBSTER'S DICTIONARY

At West Point, United States Military Academy, where students are trained to become commissioned officers in the United States Army, cadets are put through a rigorous athletice program, including, as cornerstones, boxing and wrestling.

Any learning that is related to war or combat can be classified as a martial art.

The lessons that go along with the arts can be learned - or not. It's all up to the practitioner.

In japan, they have a martial art for just about everything - there was horsemanship, archery, using the jutte - a police weapon.....the list goes on and on.

Kung Fu = chinese boxing

Muay Thai = Thai boxing

ITS ALL A IMO THING BRO, IMO

crazyjoe380 · 01-17-2002, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TracyKarate
I am sorry to burst your bubble, but wrestling and boxing are not martial arts. They are no more martial arts than are bodybuilding or hockey. Muay thai may be considered by some to be an art, but it still remains as a sport with strict rules, protective equipment and a referee.

karate
kempo karate

STAND NO CHANCE IN REALITY COMBAT

UFC, PRIDE..

I HAVE BEEN IN STREET FIGHTS AND KARATE SUCKS!!!!

MARTIAL ARTS?LOL MUYTHAI IS AN OLD MARIAL ART,BOXING AND BJJ JUJITSU..

LOL TRACY IS A FAG...STRAIGHT UP

KARATE SUCKS!!

TracyKarate · 01-17-2002, 10:28 AM

Mushinmaster, if you want to categorize things in that broad of a sense anything can be labled as such. If you want to be literal, on the other hand, US soldiers in Afghanistan are not kickboxing the enemy, they are shooting and bombing them. So the answer it seems must lay somewhere in the middle. Taking a heavily opininated stance on an issue does not prove a point. Ask Mike Tyson or Garlan Rulner if they are martial artists and see what they tell you.

TracyKarate · 01-17-2002, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by crazyjoe380
sorry guys..karate dont suck..just wanted to be a jerk with tracy..

Quote:

Originally posted by crazyjoe380
:LOL TRACY IS A FAG...STRAIGHT UP

KARATE SUCKS!!

Self contradiction is a sign of lacking intelligence.

mushinmaster · 01-17-2002, 10:44 AM

Yes, bombing and all that stuff can be classified as a martial art under that definition. Troops go to a school to learn that stuff, the knowledge is recorded and passed down...like the traditional martial arts.

It's all an opinion thing, that's what I was saying.

I've talked to wrestlers who consider it a martial art and those that don't. Same with boxing. Obviously you don't consider them one. That's okay. I do.

Weren't the origins for todays oriental martial arts founded in Egypt, where archeologist have found hierogyphics of wrestling on walls - then it diffused to India, then over to Asia? Have you ever heard that theory? I think it was on Discovery Channel's Origins of the Martial Arts.

Didn't muay thai find its origins in the thai armies?? that wierd Penjack Silat or something?

The only valid argument I've heard is that to be classified as a martial art, the art must teach with it a moral doctrine, such as bushido, chivalry, hwarang-do - and from what I've seen, although it does not have the traditional roots - wrestlers are made to clean the matts, pick up all the garbage, shake hands before and after matches, be nice, they learn determination, self-disipline - all that and an apple pie.

Boxers I think are some of the most self-driven and hardest working martial artists out there - how many hours do they train, how far do they run? There is a sport side to boxing and wrestling, and there is a martial side - just like there is do and jutsu. It's all the same in my eyes.

MercuryTurrent · 01-17-2002, 01:33 PM

AMEN mushin.

i take both wrestiling and karate at the moment. i do consider wrestling a martial art, and those that do the sport and donnot consider it a martial art somehow feel that boxing isn't an MA as well. not suprisingly, these are the people who wont take what they've learned on the matt (/ring), and put it into a fight. those that do consider these two to be MA, always seem to perfrom better in fights.

look tracy, i do respect karate, as well as other MAs, and i have taken TKD, JJ, and sambo in the past. all of these have the same impact on a fight, including wrestiling, as the other.

if you feel that wrestling and boxing are not martial arts, please do me a favor and define what you feel is martial art... i garuntee you'll have to be more then picky to find the words to avoid connecting the same definition with wrestiling and boxing.

an' joe, lay of the karate bashing. 'cause i garuntee my shidoshi will drop tyson anyday

01-15-2002, 03:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Tracy......KARATE SUCKS suck my dick YOU KNOW ITS TRUE GOOD BYE

01-15-2002, 04:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
TracyKarate Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 193 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Spoken like a true gang member. I can understand the anger you have towards me because you know that I was right about the artery strike. __________________ "The mind does not choose the situation, but through practice can choose how it is to be realized."

01-15-2002, 04:44 PM	#4 (permalink)
Angel_of_Pain Novice Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Montreal Quebec Canada Posts: 207 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hey maybe you dont like Tracey ( I personnely dont like his idea) but hey just calm down. You sound like a yougn karateka who try to be tough but it dont work. __________________ "im about 210 5'5" but im not all fat"-Noctural BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

01-16-2002, 08:46 AM	#5 (permalink)
mushinmaster Novice Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: SGF, NY Posts: 402 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hey I don't agree with hitting a friend in the carotid artery, but don't lose your temper - control is what MA's all about. __________________ Alex Bedard http://www.geocities.com/mushinmaster

01-16-2002, 10:54 AM	#7 (permalink)
TracyKarate Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 193 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you guys. It's nice to see a few friends. I don't think Joe is a bad guy, just misguided and young. He stated that he is new to the arts so I am confident that with a good instructor and willingness to learn he will grow out of a lot of the adolescent barriers that gangs put on people in his position in life. Regardless of what has been said about me by him, I am not angry. __________________ "The mind does not choose the situation, but through practice can choose how it is to be realized."

01-15-2002, 03:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dude, you might want to chill out on the harsh lingo.... Don't want to get moderated by the overlords....

01-16-2002, 10:02 AM	#6 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	sorry guys..karate dont suck..just wanted to be a jerk with tracy..

01-16-2002, 11:38 AM	#8 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	^^^^^6 sorry for disrespecting lol mabey the slang threw you off ... but how long you've been in the arts TRACY? 1992-started wrestling stopped in 1994 1994 started muy thai boxing-still doing 1997 started boxing-still do 2000-judo 2001-brazilian jiu jitsu/val tudo

01-16-2002, 04:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
TracyKarate Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 193 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I am sorry to burst your bubble, but wrestling and boxing are not martial arts. They are no more martial arts than are bodybuilding or hockey. Muay thai may be considered by some to be an art, but it still remains as a sport with strict rules, protective equipment and a referee. __________________ "The mind does not choose the situation, but through practice can choose how it is to be realized."

01-17-2002, 10:28 AM	#12 (permalink)
TracyKarate Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 193 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mushinmaster, if you want to categorize things in that broad of a sense anything can be labled as such. If you want to be literal, on the other hand, US soldiers in Afghanistan are not kickboxing the enemy, they are shooting and bombing them. So the answer it seems must lay somewhere in the middle. Taking a heavily opininated stance on an issue does not prove a point. Ask Mike Tyson or Garlan Rulner if they are martial artists and see what they tell you. __________________ "The mind does not choose the situation, but through practice can choose how it is to be realized."

01-17-2002, 10:44 AM	#14 (permalink)
mushinmaster Novice Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: SGF, NY Posts: 402 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes, bombing and all that stuff can be classified as a martial art under that definition. Troops go to a school to learn that stuff, the knowledge is recorded and passed down...like the traditional martial arts. It's all an opinion thing, that's what I was saying. I've talked to wrestlers who consider it a martial art and those that don't. Same with boxing. Obviously you don't consider them one. That's okay. I do. Weren't the origins for todays oriental martial arts founded in Egypt, where archeologist have found hierogyphics of wrestling on walls - then it diffused to India, then over to Asia? Have you ever heard that theory? I think it was on Discovery Channel's Origins of the Martial Arts. Didn't muay thai find its origins in the thai armies?? that wierd Penjack Silat or something? The only valid argument I've heard is that to be classified as a martial art, the art must teach with it a moral doctrine, such as bushido, chivalry, hwarang-do - and from what I've seen, although it does not have the traditional roots - wrestlers are made to clean the matts, pick up all the garbage, shake hands before and after matches, be nice, they learn determination, self-disipline - all that and an apple pie. Boxers I think are some of the most self-driven and hardest working martial artists out there - how many hours do they train, how far do they run? There is a sport side to boxing and wrestling, and there is a martial side - just like there is do and jutsu. It's all the same in my eyes. __________________ Alex Bedard http://www.geocities.com/mushinmaster

01-17-2002, 01:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
MercuryTurrent Novice Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 80 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	AMEN mushin. i take both wrestiling and karate at the moment. i do consider wrestling a martial art, and those that do the sport and donnot consider it a martial art somehow feel that boxing isn't an MA as well. not suprisingly, these are the people who wont take what they've learned on the matt (/ring), and put it into a fight. those that do consider these two to be MA, always seem to perfrom better in fights. look tracy, i do respect karate, as well as other MAs, and i have taken TKD, JJ, and sambo in the past. all of these have the same impact on a fight, including wrestiling, as the other. if you feel that wrestling and boxing are not martial arts, please do me a favor and define what you feel is martial art... i garuntee you'll have to be more then picky to find the words to avoid connecting the same definition with wrestiling and boxing. an' joe, lay of the karate bashing. 'cause i garuntee my shidoshi will drop tyson anyday

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