The Ultimate in Martial Arts

JaredExtreme · 03-09-2002, 05:26 AM

I went to my college Judo club's open mat today to see how well I would fare in some sparring.

I paired up with a white belt. I'm a white belt also and we both had roughly 6 months experience in our respective arts. (Mine being BJJ.)

Man, I'm not really someone who brags, but I put on a clinic. None of his trips/throws worked, and i always landed on top. All my double/single leg takedowns worked. However, he was a little bigger/stronger than me, so I usually fell back to guard. The first time he tapped from an armbar in the guard (hehe he tried to stand up out of it). The scond time he thought I was going for another armbar, I was actually going for a triangle, I got the tap. The third time I got the guiollotine for the tap. After that, he was pretty tired and left.

After that I took on the yellow belts, who had 1 yr experience and probly 30 pounds on me (not to mention one was a HS wrestler and the other a black belt in aikido). No question here, they kicked my ass. My lip was bleeding and I had some bruises on my nose. They threw me and landed in perfect position, not much I could do there.

So, all in all I had a pretty good time. What do you guys think?

Ryu (JKD?) · 03-09-2002, 10:58 PM

As someone with experience in both BJJ and judo I would have to say that I've never seen a judo white belt who could hang with a BJJ white belt.

I love judo, but that's just what I've seen... they focus on way different things at that point.

It's when you get to the higher belts that you'll be in for some trouble, especially if they come from wrestling backgrounds as well. As you just experienced.

Sounds like great training though!

Ryu

Water Dragon · 03-13-2002, 11:43 PM

The beautiful thing about BJJ, is that it can be grasped effectively so quickly. The beautiful thing about the throwing arts is their efficiencey and effectiveness once you learn technique. It takes a little longer though. If you have a chance, do both. Once you get good at throwing, you'll be able to flow right into a sub. Most of the time you wont need to though, lol.

drixx2 · 03-15-2002, 01:50 AM

when i did MMA, my ground game was a combo of wrestling (9yrs 1yr all state) and 2yrs judo.
I could hold my own against most Bjj guys (but that was also about 2yrs ago)

Bunk22 · 03-17-2002, 08:50 PM

Obviously I am new here and found this post interesting. When I first started Judo in 97, I found a school that emphasized a lot of grappling. The instructor was also skilled in Japanese Jujitsu and perhaps combined alot of its ground work into the Judo curriculum. We had students from a few local places (BJJ included) always come to the open mat on the weekends. The guys at our school could always hold our own against the other equally trained grapplers. Through my time there, we had a few Judo students trained from other schools join and some were really poor on the mat. Not enough time spent in that area I guess.

I was then stationed in San Diego and joined the Judo club on base. They rarely, if ever practiced mat work. Again, there were students of other styles who would practice mat work after class. Those fellows that only studied on base were lacking big time in the mat work department. Those with some years behind them were good at throw, sweeps, etc. but on the ground, they could be beat rather easily.

So I guess my point is not all Judo schools are created equal and sometimes the skill level of a grappler boils down to how hard a school emphasizes that area. This is why (IMHO) BJJ is so effective on the ground.

03-09-2002, 05:26 AM	#1 (permalink)
JaredExtreme Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,115 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Just sparred with some Judo guys! I went to my college Judo club's open mat today to see how well I would fare in some sparring. I paired up with a white belt. I'm a white belt also and we both had roughly 6 months experience in our respective arts. (Mine being BJJ.) Man, I'm not really someone who brags, but I put on a clinic. None of his trips/throws worked, and i always landed on top. All my double/single leg takedowns worked. However, he was a little bigger/stronger than me, so I usually fell back to guard. The first time he tapped from an armbar in the guard (hehe he tried to stand up out of it). The scond time he thought I was going for another armbar, I was actually going for a triangle, I got the tap. The third time I got the guiollotine for the tap. After that, he was pretty tired and left. After that I took on the yellow belts, who had 1 yr experience and probly 30 pounds on me (not to mention one was a HS wrestler and the other a black belt in aikido). No question here, they kicked my ass. My lip was bleeding and I had some bruises on my nose. They threw me and landed in perfect position, not much I could do there. So, all in all I had a pretty good time. What do you guys think? __________________ "I don't fight in the street, there's no mats out there." - JaredExtreme

03-09-2002, 10:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ryu (JKD?) Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 623 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	As someone with experience in both BJJ and judo I would have to say that I've never seen a judo white belt who could hang with a BJJ white belt. I love judo, but that's just what I've seen... they focus on way different things at that point. It's when you get to the higher belts that you'll be in for some trouble, especially if they come from wrestling backgrounds as well. As you just experienced. Sounds like great training though! Ryu __________________ Sekkendo...

03-13-2002, 11:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
Water Dragon Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 136 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	The beautiful thing about BJJ, is that it can be grasped effectively so quickly. The beautiful thing about the throwing arts is their efficiencey and effectiveness once you learn technique. It takes a little longer though. If you have a chance, do both. Once you get good at throwing, you'll be able to flow right into a sub. Most of the time you wont need to though, lol. __________________ Although there are many styles, they all rely on the strong beating the weak and the slow yielding to the fast. These are not related to the power which must be learned. -- The Taiji Classics

03-15-2002, 01:50 AM	#4 (permalink)
drixx2 Novice Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 47 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	when i did MMA, my ground game was a combo of wrestling (9yrs 1yr all state) and 2yrs judo. I could hold my own against most Bjj guys (but that was also about 2yrs ago) __________________ jason l

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03-17-2002, 08:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
Bunk22 Novice Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chesapeake, Virginia Posts: 1 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Obviously I am new here and found this post interesting. When I first started Judo in 97, I found a school that emphasized a lot of grappling. The instructor was also skilled in Japanese Jujitsu and perhaps combined alot of its ground work into the Judo curriculum. We had students from a few local places (BJJ included) always come to the open mat on the weekends. The guys at our school could always hold our own against the other equally trained grapplers. Through my time there, we had a few Judo students trained from other schools join and some were really poor on the mat. Not enough time spent in that area I guess. I was then stationed in San Diego and joined the Judo club on base. They rarely, if ever practiced mat work. Again, there were students of other styles who would practice mat work after class. Those fellows that only studied on base were lacking big time in the mat work department. Those with some years behind them were good at throw, sweeps, etc. but on the ground, they could be beat rather easily. So I guess my point is not all Judo schools are created equal and sometimes the skill level of a grappler boils down to how hard a school emphasizes that area. This is why (IMHO) BJJ is so effective on the ground.

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