Big man hit the floor hard

[MrPoopy]

Tonight in my class a dude almost got his foot broke. He was applying a ankle lock to a smaller (but much, much more skilled) guy, and he accidentally put his across the guys body and got heel hooked really hard. This guy is like 6'6" and 300 pounds. The guy cried out hard. I thought for sure his heel was jacked up. He had to lay on the mat for a while with a couple of dudes trying to help him.

Has anyone else witnessed injuries in their MA class?

[rockinronnie]

Training partners / guys from the same club should take it
easy especially in training. You mentioned that you thought
the guys foot was jacked, but what about his knee which
takes a more severe beating than the foot/ankle.

[MrPoopy]

He also complained that there was something wrong with his knee.
They were taking it easy on each other at first, but he's a huge guy and strong as an ox. I've grappled with him a few times and you can't be very easy on him because you can't allow him to get position. It's too hard to escape after he's on you.

[rooke]

At a seminar, some idiot who's ex-military couldn't figure out a technique and used strength...and prompty dislocated my girlfriend's shoulder. Would constantly say how "sorry" he was to people, but never called to check up on her or offer to help with medical bill. I have little respect for these types of people.

Rooke

[Ryu (JKD?)]

Yeah me. I got the tendons and ligaments in my elbow stretched and torn a couple years back. Was trying to escape from a lock, and the other guy was way too overzealous (we both were) I heard a crackling sound, and my arm just went numb. Ugh.

Ryu

[Ryu (JKD?)]

Rooke, are you serious???

[rooke]

I'm dead serious. A larger and significantly stronger guy, working with a smaller and physically weaker female, and since he couldn't get the technique (with NO RESISTANCE on her part, he was just new to throws and locks), decided to just go with strength and dislocated her shoulder.

How's your arm? The torn ligaments must have taken years to heal right!

Rooke

PS: On my side, I have a permanent injury where a guy hit me in the sternum with his elbow because he wanted to experiment at full speed (I had given permission for full speed with the technique we were shown...he added the elbow on his own). It popped 3 of my sternum rib joints. These are made of cartilege, so whenever I stretch, I hear 3 pops in my sternum. According to the doctor, once loose, they stay loose. No serious danger or pain, just a creepy feeling, having them pop.

[Flash]

Originally posted by rooke
At a seminar, some idiot who's ex-military couldn't figure out a technique and used strength...and prompty dislocated my girlfriend's shoulder.

That is seriously uncool.

Training with guys like that is just a major bummer.

[kid lock]

I've never felt pain in my ankle when I've been heel hooked, just on the side of my kneecap

[Scratch]

I don't mean to sound like an ass, but if you can't handle getting hurt every once in a while maybe martial arts isn't for you. Every once in a while you will run across someone who will do something stupid simply because he doesn't know any better. You can hardly blame him for it.

[Flash]

Originally posted by Scratch
I don't mean to sound like an ass, but if you can't handle getting hurt every once in a while maybe martial arts isn't for you. Every once in a while you will run across someone who will do something stupid simply because he doesn't know any better. You can hardly blame him for it.

There's a difference between getting hurt and getting injured. Bumps, scrapes, split lips, bloody noses, busted fingers, busted toes, hyper-extended arm etc. are a part of regular training but a dislocated shoulder or a blown knee are not cool as they can:

1) Put you out of training for a long time.
2) Can have long lasting effects re: your life outside martial arts.
3) Can prevent you from doing your job, i.e. what you do to put rice on the table.
4) Can cost a lot of money in medical bills.

You want to train realistically but not so "realistically" that you can only train once or twice before you have to take six months off to recover from a serious injury.

[doubleouch]

Heel hooks are way dangerous. You don't feel much pain until your knee snaps. I don't use them in training with partners. I will "fit" the techniuqe, which means getting into position and not cranking on it. Once you are in position and have it locked down there really is no need to crank on it because you know you got it if you want it. A knee injury can put you out for a long time and there is no excuse for putting someone out with a knee crank. On the other side though, I always tap right away if anyone attempts a heel hook even before they crank it. It hurts my ego but better a hurt ego than a hurt knee.