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Fighter · 07-14-2002, 03:04 AM

It is true that TKD is not an effective as some others. In fact it is very incomplete. Today TKD seems to focus on high flashy kicks and not much else.

But if TKD only taught you how to kick good I think its worth it.

MinisterofDeath · 07-14-2002, 03:27 AM

you should look up some real TKD. You'd be surprised.. Trust me, its not all kicks. Many of the kicks arent even high. There are also palm strikes elbows, some grappling and joint manipulation. The McDojang has tainted the name Taekwondo.
You just gotta fing a good intstructor who knows what he is doing. Many instructors add Hapkido to their curriculum which is great 'cause it adds more joint locks/manipulation, kicks, punches, throws and weapons.

Fighter · 07-14-2002, 03:33 AM

I agree with you completely. It all depend on which instructor you find. I was just making a generalized statement though.

Thanks and See Ya,

MinisterofDeath · 07-14-2002, 03:39 AM

ok I'm just a little sensative when it comes to TKD

seriously though, i think all MA's are great, well most. cough:jukokai:cough

Fighter · 07-14-2002, 03:50 AM

Thats great that you have a positive attitude and Im hoping that last statement was a joke. I wish more people would have such a positive attitude.

Ice Phoenix · 07-16-2002, 08:46 AM

Hey, MinisterofDeath

If I were you I'd train in both Wing Chun and BJJ cause they're both very effective systems and both fill-in each other's range of weakness!

And about how you're concerned you'll mix up the principles, well, I doubt that'd be a problem!

For a start, BJJ is more of a 'use it the same as you learn it' martial art, with little to no 'theory' really involved. What works in free grappling and what doesn't is what matters.

The only 2 real principles in BJJ are the centerline principle and that position is everything, and both those apply to Wing Chun in a big way too!

That's my 2 cents...

Fighter · 07-17-2002, 03:26 AM

Even better would be to top that off by putting it into a JKD frame of mind. Take what works leave what doesn't...

07-14-2002, 03:04 AM	#16 (permalink)
Fighter Advanced Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 593 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	TKD It is true that TKD is not an effective as some others. In fact it is very incomplete. Today TKD seems to focus on high flashy kicks and not much else. But if TKD only taught you how to kick good I think its worth it. __________________ "A dream without action is useless, An action without a dream is useless" Email me any time at: Fighter@jkd.com.hk

07-14-2002, 03:27 AM	#17 (permalink)
MinisterofDeath Novice Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 74 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	you should look up some real TKD. You'd be surprised.. Trust me, its not all kicks. Many of the kicks arent even high. There are also palm strikes elbows, some grappling and joint manipulation. The McDojang has tainted the name Taekwondo. You just gotta fing a good intstructor who knows what he is doing. Many instructors add Hapkido to their curriculum which is great 'cause it adds more joint locks/manipulation, kicks, punches, throws and weapons. __________________ Self-defense is only an illusion, a dark cloak beneath which lurks a razor-sharp dagger waiting to be plunged into the first unwary victim. Whoever declares that any weapon manufactured today, whether it be a nuclear missle or a .38 special, is created for self-defense should look a little more closely at his own image in the mirror. Either he is a liar or is deceiving himself. Wing Chun kung fu is a very sophisticated weapon--nothing else. It is a science of combat, the intent of which is the total incapacitation of an opponent. It is straightforward, efficient and deadly. If you're looking to learn self-defense, don't study Wing Chun. It would be better for you to master the art of invisibility - Wong Shun Leung

07-14-2002, 03:33 AM	#18 (permalink)
Fighter Advanced Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 593 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I agree I agree with you completely. It all depend on which instructor you find. I was just making a generalized statement though. Thanks and See Ya, __________________ "A dream without action is useless, An action without a dream is useless" Email me any time at: Fighter@jkd.com.hk

07-14-2002, 03:39 AM	#19 (permalink)
MinisterofDeath Novice Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 74 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	ok I'm just a little sensative when it comes to TKD seriously though, i think all MA's are great, well most. cough:jukokai:cough __________________ Self-defense is only an illusion, a dark cloak beneath which lurks a razor-sharp dagger waiting to be plunged into the first unwary victim. Whoever declares that any weapon manufactured today, whether it be a nuclear missle or a .38 special, is created for self-defense should look a little more closely at his own image in the mirror. Either he is a liar or is deceiving himself. Wing Chun kung fu is a very sophisticated weapon--nothing else. It is a science of combat, the intent of which is the total incapacitation of an opponent. It is straightforward, efficient and deadly. If you're looking to learn self-defense, don't study Wing Chun. It would be better for you to master the art of invisibility - Wong Shun Leung Last edited by MinisterofDeath; 07-14-2002 at 03:59 AM.

07-14-2002, 03:50 AM	#20 (permalink)
Fighter Advanced Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 593 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thats great that you have a positive attitude and Im hoping that last statement was a joke. I wish more people would have such a positive attitude. __________________ "A dream without action is useless, An action without a dream is useless" Email me any time at: Fighter@jkd.com.hk

07-16-2002, 08:46 AM	#21 (permalink)
Ice Phoenix Novice Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 172 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hey, MinisterofDeath If I were you I'd train in both Wing Chun and BJJ cause they're both very effective systems and both fill-in each other's range of weakness! And about how you're concerned you'll mix up the principles, well, I doubt that'd be a problem! For a start, BJJ is more of a 'use it the same as you learn it' martial art, with little to no 'theory' really involved. What works in free grappling and what doesn't is what matters. The only 2 real principles in BJJ are the centerline principle and that position is everything, and both those apply to Wing Chun in a big way too! That's my 2 cents...

07-17-2002, 03:26 AM	#22 (permalink)
Fighter Advanced Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 593 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Even better would be to top that off by putting it into a JKD frame of mind. Take what works leave what doesn't... __________________ "A dream without action is useless, An action without a dream is useless" Email me any time at: Fighter@jkd.com.hk

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