wing chun

Angry Hamster · 07-12-2002, 05:59 PM

hi,
what does everyone here think of wing chun? do you think it's good for self defense or do you think it sucks? what if a GOOD wing chun practioner fought a GOOD BJJ or muay thai?

and just as a sidenote, i don't take wing chun.

Fighter · 07-12-2002, 10:57 PM

Wing Chun is good. It is an effective style invented by a woman (I think Yim Wing Chun) so she could beat a man. Its good but needs refining.

As for Wing Chun. If an = Wing Chun practiioner fought an = Muay Thai or BJJ I think it may lose. But thats just my opinion.

If your after a good MA JKD is the best.

MinisterofDeath · 07-12-2002, 11:25 PM

Wing Chun is practical and great for fighting. It has kicks, punches, palms, elbows, knees, some joint manipulation, and trapping. I think it would be great to mix it with a ground fighting art. Muay Thai with a ground fighting art would also be great. As for art vs. art, I don't think thats a valid argument. If you take two fighters of equal skill and different arts, you cant say who's gonna win. Each fighter fights differently.

P.S. It was Ng Mui who developed Wing Chun, Yim Wing Chun further refined it.

P.P.S. No art is the best.

Fighter · 07-12-2002, 11:34 PM

The way I was talking about was if two exactly same people your clone if you will. But it does depend on the individual

MinisterofDeath · 07-12-2002, 11:44 PM

agreed...
As for Wing Chun and self-defense, read my sig.

Angry Hamster · 07-12-2002, 11:47 PM

I think the art does matter a bit, but not by much. I guess it's all up to how you train. The reason those muay thai guys are so good is because they do a lot of conditioning, plus they are really fit compared to the average karate/whatever guy.. They also do a lot of sparring instead of doing katas and stuff.

And is it true that in wing chun, size doesn't matter that much?

Fighter · 07-12-2002, 11:57 PM

Thats all pretty much the truth. Alot of MA should concentrate more on conditioning, very few MA schools even do physical training.

MinisterofDeath · 07-12-2002, 11:59 PM

size does not always matter, but sometimes it does. I think wing chun deals well with larger opponents since there is no force on force. All attacks are redirected. Yip Man took on a much larger Dragon KF player, and well, the Dragon dude got his ass handed to him.

Fighter · 07-13-2002, 12:03 AM

Your talking about Yip Man the same Yip Man that taught Bruce Lee arent you?

I was wondering is he still alive?

MinisterofDeath · 07-13-2002, 12:17 AM

Yes that Yip Man. I think he died in December 1972, aged 79 years. Some people say Yip Man and BLee didn't touch hands much. They say one of Yip Man's senior students did most of the teaching.

Fighter · 07-13-2002, 12:22 AM

Some of the Students in Yip Mans class found out that Bruce Lee had some German in him. And refused to train with him. But bruce was taught by one of the more senior students out side of class but Bruce and Yip Man did train together sometimes

MinisterofDeath · 07-13-2002, 12:26 AM

I've always wanted touch hands with one if Yip Man's students. Hopefully I will get to meet my sigung who was one of his students for a while. Him and Yip Man were very close.

Fighter · 07-13-2002, 12:28 AM

Let me know if you do. OK

Thanks,

07-12-2002, 05:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
Angry Hamster Novice Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 4	wing chun hi, what does everyone here think of wing chun? do you think it's good for self defense or do you think it sucks? what if a GOOD wing chun practioner fought a GOOD BJJ or muay thai? and just as a sidenote, i don't take wing chun.

07-12-2002, 10:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
Fighter Advanced Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 593	Wing Chun Wing Chun is good. It is an effective style invented by a woman (I think Yim Wing Chun) so she could beat a man. Its good but needs refining. As for Wing Chun. If an = Wing Chun practiioner fought an = Muay Thai or BJJ I think it may lose. But thats just my opinion. If your after a good MA JKD is the best. __________________ "A dream without action is useless, An action without a dream is useless" Email me any time at: Fighter@jkd.com.hk

07-12-2002, 11:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
MinisterofDeath Novice Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 74	Wing Chun is practical and great for fighting. It has kicks, punches, palms, elbows, knees, some joint manipulation, and trapping. I think it would be great to mix it with a ground fighting art. Muay Thai with a ground fighting art would also be great. As for art vs. art, I don't think thats a valid argument. If you take two fighters of equal skill and different arts, you cant say who's gonna win. Each fighter fights differently. P.S. It was Ng Mui who developed Wing Chun, Yim Wing Chun further refined it. P.P.S. No art is the best. Last edited by MinisterofDeath; 07-12-2002 at 11:31 PM.

07-12-2002, 11:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
Fighter Advanced Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 593	Reply The way I was talking about was if two exactly same people your clone if you will. But it does depend on the individual __________________ "A dream without action is useless, An action without a dream is useless" Email me any time at: Fighter@jkd.com.hk

07-12-2002, 11:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
MinisterofDeath Novice Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 74	agreed... As for Wing Chun and self-defense, read my sig. __________________ Self-defense is only an illusion, a dark cloak beneath which lurks a razor-sharp dagger waiting to be plunged into the first unwary victim. Whoever declares that any weapon manufactured today, whether it be a nuclear missle or a .38 special, is created for self-defense should look a little more closely at his own image in the mirror. Either he is a liar or is deceiving himself. Wing Chun kung fu is a very sophisticated weapon--nothing else. It is a science of combat, the intent of which is the total incapacitation of an opponent. It is straightforward, efficient and deadly. If you're looking to learn self-defense, don't study Wing Chun. It would be better for you to master the art of invisibility - Wong Shun Leung Last edited by MinisterofDeath; 07-12-2002 at 11:47 PM.

07-12-2002, 11:47 PM	#6 (permalink)
Angry Hamster Novice Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 4	I think the art does matter a bit, but not by much. I guess it's all up to how you train. The reason those muay thai guys are so good is because they do a lot of conditioning, plus they are really fit compared to the average karate/whatever guy.. They also do a lot of sparring instead of doing katas and stuff. And is it true that in wing chun, size doesn't matter that much?

07-12-2002, 11:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
Fighter Advanced Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 593	True Thats all pretty much the truth. Alot of MA should concentrate more on conditioning, very few MA schools even do physical training. __________________ "A dream without action is useless, An action without a dream is useless" Email me any time at: Fighter@jkd.com.hk

07-12-2002, 11:59 PM	#8 (permalink)
MinisterofDeath Novice Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 74	size does not always matter, but sometimes it does. I think wing chun deals well with larger opponents since there is no force on force. All attacks are redirected. Yip Man took on a much larger Dragon KF player, and well, the Dragon dude got his ass handed to him. __________________ Self-defense is only an illusion, a dark cloak beneath which lurks a razor-sharp dagger waiting to be plunged into the first unwary victim. Whoever declares that any weapon manufactured today, whether it be a nuclear missle or a .38 special, is created for self-defense should look a little more closely at his own image in the mirror. Either he is a liar or is deceiving himself. Wing Chun kung fu is a very sophisticated weapon--nothing else. It is a science of combat, the intent of which is the total incapacitation of an opponent. It is straightforward, efficient and deadly. If you're looking to learn self-defense, don't study Wing Chun. It would be better for you to master the art of invisibility - Wong Shun Leung

07-13-2002, 12:03 AM	#9 (permalink)
Fighter Advanced Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 593	Yip Man Your talking about Yip Man the same Yip Man that taught Bruce Lee arent you? I was wondering is he still alive? __________________ "A dream without action is useless, An action without a dream is useless" Email me any time at: Fighter@jkd.com.hk

07-13-2002, 12:17 AM	#10 (permalink)
MinisterofDeath Novice Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 74	Yes that Yip Man. I think he died in December 1972, aged 79 years. Some people say Yip Man and BLee didn't touch hands much. They say one of Yip Man's senior students did most of the teaching. __________________ Self-defense is only an illusion, a dark cloak beneath which lurks a razor-sharp dagger waiting to be plunged into the first unwary victim. Whoever declares that any weapon manufactured today, whether it be a nuclear missle or a .38 special, is created for self-defense should look a little more closely at his own image in the mirror. Either he is a liar or is deceiving himself. Wing Chun kung fu is a very sophisticated weapon--nothing else. It is a science of combat, the intent of which is the total incapacitation of an opponent. It is straightforward, efficient and deadly. If you're looking to learn self-defense, don't study Wing Chun. It would be better for you to master the art of invisibility - Wong Shun Leung

07-13-2002, 12:22 AM	#11 (permalink)
Fighter Advanced Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 593	Bruce Lee Some of the Students in Yip Mans class found out that Bruce Lee had some German in him. And refused to train with him. But bruce was taught by one of the more senior students out side of class but Bruce and Yip Man did train together sometimes __________________ "A dream without action is useless, An action without a dream is useless" Email me any time at: Fighter@jkd.com.hk

07-13-2002, 12:26 AM	#12 (permalink)
MinisterofDeath Novice Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 74	I've always wanted touch hands with one if Yip Man's students. Hopefully I will get to meet my sigung who was one of his students for a while. Him and Yip Man were very close. __________________ Self-defense is only an illusion, a dark cloak beneath which lurks a razor-sharp dagger waiting to be plunged into the first unwary victim. Whoever declares that any weapon manufactured today, whether it be a nuclear missle or a .38 special, is created for self-defense should look a little more closely at his own image in the mirror. Either he is a liar or is deceiving himself. Wing Chun kung fu is a very sophisticated weapon--nothing else. It is a science of combat, the intent of which is the total incapacitation of an opponent. It is straightforward, efficient and deadly. If you're looking to learn self-defense, don't study Wing Chun. It would be better for you to master the art of invisibility - Wong Shun Leung

07-13-2002, 12:28 AM	#13 (permalink)
Fighter Advanced Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 593	Cool Let me know if you do. OK Thanks, __________________ "A dream without action is useless, An action without a dream is useless" Email me any time at: Fighter@jkd.com.hk

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