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Old 07-13-2002, 09:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The animal is violent. Human beings who are the result of the animal, are also violent; it is part of their being to be violent, to be angry, to be jealous, to be envious, to seek power, position, prestige and all the rest of it, to dominate, to be aggressive. Man is violent—this is shown by thousands of wars—and he has developed an ideology which he calls "non-violence." ... And when there is actual violence as a war between this country and the next country, everybody is involved in it. They love it. Now, when you are actually violent and you have an ideal of non-violence, you have a conflict. You are always trying to become non-violent—which is a part of the conflict. You discipline yourself in order not to be violent—which, again, is a conflict, friction. So when you are violent and have the ideal of non-violence, you are essentially violent. To realize that you are violent is the first thing to do—not try to become non-violent. To see violence as it is, not try to translate it, not to discipline it, not to overcome it, not to suppress it, but to see it as though you are seeing it for the first time —that is to look at it without any thought. I have explained already what we mean by looking at a tree with innocence—which is to look at it without the image. In the same way, you have to look at violence without the image which is involved in the word itself. To look at it without any movement of thought is to look at it as though you are looking at it for the first time, and therefore looking at it with innocence.
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Old 07-13-2002, 10:35 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Now when did you first explain the part about the tree?

Anyone who says violence doesn't solve anything isn't trying hard enough.

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That post hurt my eyes.....
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That was a good post thread. As Biker said though there are a lot of problems that should be dealt with voilence not EVERYTHING but there is some.
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The moralist is different from the religious man.
The difference is very suble.
A moralist tries to be humble; a religious man is humble.
A moralist poses humility all around-it is a pose, it is a gesture, cultivated.
Because humility is a trick of the ego,
it is the polished ego, not vulger.

So there are two types of ego.
The vulgar ego you will find
in the uncultured, uncivilised, uneducated person.
Then there is a cultured ego,
refined, polished, perfumed, very suble;
you cannot detect it. Always posing humility,
humbleness, simplicity-these are all postures.


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Do you make up this stuff or read it from books? Eitherway they are very meaning ful.
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they are quoted,

This passage is what got me interested in Jui-Jitsu

The art of Judo and Jui-jitsu:not to fight. In Japan, they have developed a very suble art of Jui-Jitsu. The man who is trained in Jui-Jitsu cannot be defeated, because he doesn't fight. Even if you hit him, he absorbs the energy that you have thrown by your hitting.

You observe it many times happening all around. Everyday you see small children falling the whole day. They fall, and they get up, and they forget about it. But if you fall like a small child, you will always be in the hospital. What happens when a child falls? He simply falls;he doesn't resist. He moves with the pull, with the gravitation. He simply falls-like a pillow falling, nonresistance. When you fall you resist. You first try not to fall. All your fibres, all your bones, become tense and strained. When strained bones and a strained nervous system fall unwillingly, fighting, then many things are broken. Not because of gravitation, but because of your resistance.

In Jui-Jitsu they train the person not to fight. If somebody attacks you, you simply absorb the attack. If he hits you on your head, you absorb. When somebody is hitting you on your head, a certain amount of energy has come to his hand. If you fight, then two energies fight and are destroyed. If you don't fight, you become receptive. It is a very difficult art. It takes many years to learn because the ego again and again comes in. Once you have known the knack of it, then you simply absorb the energy of the enemy. And soon, just by throwing out his energy, he becomes weak, and by and by you become stronger. He is defeated by his own effort and you win with no effort.

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Thats very similar to the philosophy of Aikido. Aikido was developed from Judo which was developed by Ju-Jitsu so I think that Aikido and Ju-Jitsu are very similar in someways. Maybe not I havent studied Ju-Jitsu but I know some techniques.
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I've been to many internal martial arts schools and have yet to find one that truely addresses violence. Maybe it's because I'm looking in the yellow pages

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The Yellow Pages? Whats wrong with that. Good schools would being trying to get peole there, and therfore advertise. Wouldn't they? Thats just my opinion whats yours?

As for the internal arts many of them rarly discuss true combat, its all based on theory, Look for a teacher who has some actual experience.
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