Is TKD a worthless art to train?

knifer · 08-02-2002, 07:32 AM

Hi Rorny Gracie,

Congratulations on being a complete Moron!

Did you know that just there are many other non grapplers out there who laugh and make fun of Grapplers much the same way idiots like you make fun of TKD?

It's true! We watch the fights and of course it takes skill and talent and all that shit, but it's utterly useless against crazy ****ers like Shabazz Al Kareem who has a box cutter in his hand.

You should have learned by now that grappling is a piece of shit when compared to many other striking styles in life and death situations.

In fact, I can recall a date in 2001. September 11. Do you remember that day?

Well, one thing I learned on that day was how irrelevant and useless grappling and Gracie McDojo Torrance style was to those people up in those hijacked airplanes. In that case, I would much rather have a MCDojo TKD black Belt fighting those terrorists in the aisle than some false sense of security Grappling mother ****er watching my back who will get shanked the moment he tries to use his jujtsu.

What the hell would the grappler do? Throw a shitty little kick out.. measure the distance, close the gap and once they achieve clinch.... Sorry, but they get stabbed and die and all their years of grappling is worthless.

At leats with the McDojo TKD they have a fighting chance. Maybe the can kick the knife, or kick their hand... who knows what the TKD guy would do...

BUT THE FACT REMAINS, TKD could have saved the passengers, and GJJ would have bled to death.

Oh one, more thing, would you like fries with that?

knifer · 08-02-2002, 08:52 AM

Mr. Gracie,

Based on the fighting strategies and training methods and thechniques of both BJJ and TKD,

TKD could actually have made a difference on 9/11.

TKD has a linear style, and would be very effective in the narrow aisles of an airplane. There are many kicks in TKD that could be used effectively to thwart the knife guy.

However, TKD is at the disadvantage vs a knife, but i would feel more comfortable using TKD against a guy with a knife than BJJ.

BJJ may be effective, but using it in life and death, it can get you killed a lot quicker than TKD can.

As far as black belts, It's all Boolshit. TKD, KARATE, BJJ.... every school that uses a belt system is McDojo, including all those BJJ shcools.

I know guys who don't even have a white belt... they don't even have the pants! and they would **** up the BJJ Black Belt with more ease than they would the TKD guy.

I see some BJJ guys with purple belt, black belt, brown belt... even TKD guys with orange belt, green belt...... All of it is McDojo.
TKD and BJJ are both McDojo and it's really pathetic and funny to see BJJ guys like you bag on TKD when you guys are just as lame.

I've ****ed with both BJJ and TKD. I fought both styles and let me tell you, they are both useless against my fighting style, but TKD was definitely the style that I fought that was harder to deal with.

BJJ and TKD are both McDojo and you cannot deny it.

knifer · 08-02-2002, 08:55 AM

Also,

There are many styles that can effectively deal with those terrorists on September 11. In fact those trerrorits used a fighting style when they hijacked.

Of course, all you know, and believe is BJJ so I don't expect you to be aware of these styles. That's okay because all you TKDBJJ McDojo guys are so blind to reality of combat that you make yourselves look like a joke!

Do you know the golden arches of McDonald's? Well I saw one at Torrance.. instead of a big yellow M, it was a Nike Looking "G" on their shirt. Now that is total McDojo.

knifer · 08-02-2002, 09:52 AM

LOL!

Rorny, you are truly a fun member of the forum to beef with. You are a clown just like that Ronald McDonald at the McDojo site, because you are McDojo's number one customer.

I didn't say I beat a BJJ black Belt. But I could. No problem. Just tell him he better bring a gun because that's the only way to beat my style.

But, I have ****ed up some BJJ blue purple belt no problem. But black belt would be just as easy.

Just stand back and when they come close stab them. Very simple technique. It may not be the most friendly style, nor is it very fair to use, but who cares. It does the job and puts BJJ in it's rightful place of McDojo

knifer · 08-02-2002, 10:11 AM

CLAP CLAP CLAP!

Rorny!

You beat a TKD black Belt! WOW! Very Impressive!
You should feel proud of that accomplishment because you are one of the few.

Most people wouldn't even bother fighting a 12 year old TKD blackbelt, but you certainly did! Praise to you great warrior for you are a champion!

Maybe now you open your own BJJ McDojo and have belts and tests and feel superior because instead of giving out a black belt to student after 2, years it will be 10 years and you can make lots of money of your student because it will take forever to graduate!

Badger · 08-02-2002, 10:14 AM

Why do you argue with yourself on a public forum??

knifer · 08-02-2002, 10:26 AM

badger,

you have no idea what you are talking about.

Brokenmace · 08-02-2002, 03:28 PM

On flight 93, one of the defenders knew TKD. Did this help him? Probably, considering any martial training gives you a martial mindset, at the least. Another passenger knew how to wrestle (not sure, they might have been the same person). I think it was Todd Beamer. Anyway, it doesn't matter. They saved the White House (maybe) and died doing so.

It makes no difference now, anyway. Who would bother hijacking a plane now without firepower? Any fool could summon two other guys and bumrush Boxcutter Mohammed. All I know is that before 9/11 I always carried a knife on my flights because I didn't trust the flight attendants for anything more than an obsticle to kicking ass. Knives were legal then, and I was glad for that. We might both get cut, but your NOT taking my plane with a damned knife!

Style doesn't really make a difference. It's training that matters. If a TKD stylist trains his hands with an open mind, he can still rumble, even with his high kicks, as long as he uses them wisely.

MrPoopy · 08-02-2002, 06:02 PM

Rorny Gracie, why did you even bother posting? it looks like you already have your mind made up about tkd.

Szczepankiewicz · 08-02-2002, 06:53 PM

OOOOOOHhhhhhhhhhhhh I don't know. I think Badger is onto something here......

arizona kid · 08-02-2002, 09:12 PM

hey guys, good to see you are all getting along
say, maybe one o you can help a brother out.
do you know anyone or any clubs or even a book that will give me some insight on hand control techniques?
you know the kind for ushers & door men. wrist locks etc.
anything at all will help, i keep getting hooked up with morons
that wanna sell me some program for 500.00 to come & train my guys.
thanks

Fighter · 08-02-2002, 10:15 PM

Rorny and Knifer you guys are IDIOTS! Try posting something worth while, and stop fooling around this is a serious MA forum for helping and discussing MA not playground tit for tat!

knifer · 08-03-2002, 03:56 AM

You are the Idiot Mr. Fighter

because you don't recognize any of the value in my post. True there is some trash talk in this thread, but seriously I just want you guys to know that BJJ is worthless in many realistic street circumstances.

Sorry, but that is the truth.

BJJ is effective when you are sparring your friends, when it is a one on one situation, when you are in the ring, when there are no foreign objects thrown into the equation, when there is no debris on the ground....

Don't get me wrong... I know BJJ is effective for people in friendly neighbourhoods across the USA, but on my turf the only Ultimate Fighting Style that will work is knife, stick, gun, baseball bat multiple opponents on your side, and always strike your enemy when he is not looking.

That is the reality here in America. If you're not practicing this way, then you are nothing but a McDojo

knifer · 08-03-2002, 05:31 AM

LOL!

Rorny, You are my funniest student.

Maybe one day I will give you the black belt you have been yearning

knifer · 08-03-2002, 07:19 AM

Supersized Fries with that Black Belt?

Of course! But I will give you more than that!

I will give a McDojo Happy meal which will include a prize. The prize will be the McDojo Total Defense DVD ROM whenre you can view all the McDojo technique from multiple angles!

But remember, BJJ McDojo belt is not like TKD McDojo belt. BJJ McDojo belt takes at least 10 years to obtain because McDojo wants you to spend your kid's college tuition on their worthless techniques for 10 years before you graduate.

At TKD McDojo it only takes 2 years for Graduate.

But maybe with me I will just let you paint my house, fence and wax my cars

08-02-2002, 03:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
Brokenmace Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 259 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	On flight 93, one of the defenders knew TKD. Did this help him? Probably, considering any martial training gives you a martial mindset, at the least. Another passenger knew how to wrestle (not sure, they might have been the same person). I think it was Todd Beamer. Anyway, it doesn't matter. They saved the White House (maybe) and died doing so. It makes no difference now, anyway. Who would bother hijacking a plane now without firepower? Any fool could summon two other guys and bumrush Boxcutter Mohammed. All I know is that before 9/11 I always carried a knife on my flights because I didn't trust the flight attendants for anything more than an obsticle to kicking ass. Knives were legal then, and I was glad for that. We might both get cut, but your NOT taking my plane with a damned knife! Style doesn't really make a difference. It's training that matters. If a TKD stylist trains his hands with an open mind, he can still rumble, even with his high kicks, as long as he uses them wisely. __________________ A broken mace is still a weapon.

08-02-2002, 06:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
MrPoopy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ks Posts: 782 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Rorny Gracie, why did you even bother posting? it looks like you already have your mind made up about tkd. __________________ MrPoopy

08-02-2002, 09:12 PM	#11 (permalink)
arizona kid Novice Join Date: May 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 7 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	hand control techniques hey guys, good to see you are all getting along say, maybe one o you can help a brother out. do you know anyone or any clubs or even a book that will give me some insight on hand control techniques? you know the kind for ushers & door men. wrist locks etc. anything at all will help, i keep getting hooked up with morons that wanna sell me some program for 500.00 to come & train my guys. thanks

08-02-2002, 10:15 PM	#12 (permalink)
Fighter Advanced Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 593 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Rorny and Knifer you guys are IDIOTS! Try posting something worth while, and stop fooling around this is a serious MA forum for helping and discussing MA not playground tit for tat! __________________ "A dream without action is useless, An action without a dream is useless" Email me any time at: Fighter@jkd.com.hk

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08-02-2002, 07:32 AM	#1 (permalink)
knifer Novice Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 89 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Rorny Gracie, Congratulations on being a complete Moron! Did you know that just there are many other non grapplers out there who laugh and make fun of Grapplers much the same way idiots like you make fun of TKD? It's true! We watch the fights and of course it takes skill and talent and all that shit, but it's utterly useless against crazy **ers like Shabazz Al Kareem who has a box cutter in his hand. You should have learned by now that grappling is a piece of shit when compared to many other striking styles in life and death situations. In fact, I can recall a date in 2001. September 11. Do you remember that day? Well, one thing I learned on that day was how irrelevant and useless grappling and Gracie McDojo Torrance style was to those people up in those hijacked airplanes. In that case, I would much rather have a MCDojo TKD black Belt fighting those terrorists in the aisle than some false sense of security Grappling mother **er watching my back who will get shanked the moment he tries to use his jujtsu. What the hell would the grappler do? Throw a shitty little kick out.. measure the distance, close the gap and once they achieve clinch.... Sorry, but they get stabbed and die and all their years of grappling is worthless. At leats with the McDojo TKD they have a fighting chance. Maybe the can kick the knife, or kick their hand... who knows what the TKD guy would do... BUT THE FACT REMAINS, TKD could have saved the passengers, and GJJ would have bled to death. Oh one, more thing, would you like fries with that?

08-02-2002, 08:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
knifer Novice Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 89 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mr. Gracie, Based on the fighting strategies and training methods and thechniques of both BJJ and TKD, TKD could actually have made a difference on 9/11. TKD has a linear style, and would be very effective in the narrow aisles of an airplane. There are many kicks in TKD that could be used effectively to thwart the knife guy. However, TKD is at the disadvantage vs a knife, but i would feel more comfortable using TKD against a guy with a knife than BJJ. BJJ may be effective, but using it in life and death, it can get you killed a lot quicker than TKD can. As far as black belts, It's all Boolshit. TKD, KARATE, BJJ.... every school that uses a belt system is McDojo, including all those BJJ shcools. I know guys who don't even have a white belt... they don't even have the pants! and they would ** up the BJJ Black Belt with more ease than they would the TKD guy. I see some BJJ guys with purple belt, black belt, brown belt... even TKD guys with orange belt, green belt...... All of it is McDojo. TKD and BJJ are both McDojo and it's really pathetic and funny to see BJJ guys like you bag on TKD when you guys are just as lame. I've **ed with both BJJ and TKD. I fought both styles and let me tell you, they are both useless against my fighting style, but TKD was definitely the style that I fought that was harder to deal with. BJJ and TKD are both McDojo and you cannot deny it.

08-02-2002, 08:55 AM	#3 (permalink)
knifer Novice Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 89 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Also, There are many styles that can effectively deal with those terrorists on September 11. In fact those trerrorits used a fighting style when they hijacked. Of course, all you know, and believe is BJJ so I don't expect you to be aware of these styles. That's okay because all you TKDBJJ McDojo guys are so blind to reality of combat that you make yourselves look like a joke! Do you know the golden arches of McDonald's? Well I saw one at Torrance.. instead of a big yellow M, it was a Nike Looking "G" on their shirt. Now that is total McDojo.

08-02-2002, 09:52 AM	#4 (permalink)
knifer Novice Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 89 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	LOL! Rorny, you are truly a fun member of the forum to beef with. You are a clown just like that Ronald McDonald at the McDojo site, because you are McDojo's number one customer. I didn't say I beat a BJJ black Belt. But I could. No problem. Just tell him he better bring a gun because that's the only way to beat my style. But, I have ****ed up some BJJ blue purple belt no problem. But black belt would be just as easy. Just stand back and when they come close stab them. Very simple technique. It may not be the most friendly style, nor is it very fair to use, but who cares. It does the job and puts BJJ in it's rightful place of McDojo

08-02-2002, 10:11 AM	#5 (permalink)
knifer Novice Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 89 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	CLAP CLAP CLAP! Rorny! You beat a TKD black Belt! WOW! Very Impressive! You should feel proud of that accomplishment because you are one of the few. Most people wouldn't even bother fighting a 12 year old TKD blackbelt, but you certainly did! Praise to you great warrior for you are a champion! Maybe now you open your own BJJ McDojo and have belts and tests and feel superior because instead of giving out a black belt to student after 2, years it will be 10 years and you can make lots of money of your student because it will take forever to graduate!

08-02-2002, 10:14 AM	#6 (permalink)
Badger Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Dallas,TX Posts: 268 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Why do you argue with yourself on a public forum??

08-02-2002, 10:26 AM	#7 (permalink)
knifer Novice Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 89 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	badger, you have no idea what you are talking about.

08-02-2002, 06:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	OOOOOOHhhhhhhhhhhhh I don't know. I think Badger is onto something here......

08-03-2002, 03:56 AM	#13 (permalink)
knifer Novice Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 89 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	You are the Idiot Mr. Fighter because you don't recognize any of the value in my post. True there is some trash talk in this thread, but seriously I just want you guys to know that BJJ is worthless in many realistic street circumstances. Sorry, but that is the truth. BJJ is effective when you are sparring your friends, when it is a one on one situation, when you are in the ring, when there are no foreign objects thrown into the equation, when there is no debris on the ground.... Don't get me wrong... I know BJJ is effective for people in friendly neighbourhoods across the USA, but on my turf the only Ultimate Fighting Style that will work is knife, stick, gun, baseball bat multiple opponents on your side, and always strike your enemy when he is not looking. That is the reality here in America. If you're not practicing this way, then you are nothing but a McDojo

08-03-2002, 05:31 AM	#14 (permalink)
knifer Novice Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 89 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	LOL! Rorny, You are my funniest student. Maybe one day I will give you the black belt you have been yearning

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08-03-2002, 07:19 AM	#15 (permalink)
knifer Novice Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 89 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Supersized Fries with that Black Belt? Of course! But I will give you more than that! I will give a McDojo Happy meal which will include a prize. The prize will be the McDojo Total Defense DVD ROM whenre you can view all the McDojo technique from multiple angles! But remember, BJJ McDojo belt is not like TKD McDojo belt. BJJ McDojo belt takes at least 10 years to obtain because McDojo wants you to spend your kid's college tuition on their worthless techniques for 10 years before you graduate. At TKD McDojo it only takes 2 years for Graduate. But maybe with me I will just let you paint my house, fence and wax my cars