tkd vs Muay Thai

[thirtytwohits]

(black belt) tkd vs (amateur)Muay Thai

[Ice Phoenix]

Amateur Muay Thai all the way!!!

[aseepish]

TKD.

The Muay Thai guy gets disqualified for kicking the thigh, punching the head, clinching, etc.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Who will win indeed.....

That depends on a whole lot of factors that aren't in the statistical makeup of this unbiased poll.

I'd say the TKD guy.

[conach]

The MT guy applies a low kick to the thigh.... whooaa... what a tremendous kick to the TKD guy from the MT guy... that sure hurts... the TKD is in trouble now... he doesn't appear to be getting up... and the winner is the MT guy by the way of a tremendous TKO... see the replay... my goodness, look at that...

[jaychiu]

What are the rules? Street fight? What are the size of the combatants? Is the TKD person a small woman vs. a very large MT man? There are so many things to factor into this, many of these things being the INDIVIDUAL, that an outcome can't be predicted just by the Arts listed. I've seen many people with Black Belts who weren't worthy of the belt. Who gave it to them? Hell, you can order one from Century for $15 bucks. The belt proves nothing as does the am or pro status.

Now to my opinion, based on of the training styles of the two arts, I would say that the MT person would win (if all things being equal) because they train for full on CONTACT. Most TKD practictioners do not or only for light contact. Again, this is discounting the skills of the individual and things like luck and Murphy's Law.

[AKF]

Quick little FYI for ya'll...

In 100% of the cases, it is not always the style of fighting but who the fighter is that's important. While I'm not a fan of TKD as a fighting art, I used to be a bouncer with two guys who were both brown belts in TKD, and they were two of the toughest mothers I have ever met.

You can't have just a generic poll asking who would win a fight, MT or TKD. MT is certainly set up as more of a fighting style, but as I mentioned above, not ALL traditional martial arts people are just 'kata loving', 'don't know how to fight' losers.

[crazyjoe380]

if tkd was good they'd us that in mixed martial arts but they don't they us mt..


case closed..

[Ice Phoenix]

crazyjoe380, agreed.

Quote: [not ALL traditional martial arts people are just 'kata loving', 'don't know how to fight' losers.]

No, not all are, but there are plenty of them in TKD, and none of them in MT! If a person who does TKD knows how to fight, chances are they didn't learn it from their TKD training!

[AKF]

Thanks for proving my point, Ice Phoenix.

True, if a person in TKD DOES know how to fight, he likely DIDN'T learn it from TKD... That's exactly what I'm saying - Respect the person you're fighting against, not the discipline in which he was trained.

I am a BJJ guy through and through, but my point here is that there are some dangerous people in the world who train in arts that we might consider less then good. If you think that your BJJ training will protect you from EVERY TKD person in the world, your ****ed.

[conach]

MT is certainly set up as more of a fighting style

There's an interesting point AKF points out and its about "Respect the person you're fighting against"... The streets have no rules, as Crazyjoe says... What kind of respect? The guy in front of you is not gonna tell u he does TKD or MT, he's gonna kick your ass!!

Its true that a TKD practitioner can be dangerous, but think seriously... MT has elbows, knees, headbutts and some serious blows... Isn't that dangerous too?? What's the discussion about in its core, isn't about effectiveness?

I've never done MT, but the proof is widespread. In K1, UFC, Pride... MT is a strong MA. And in the street, elbows are allowed. And about your point in BJJ, its true and I agree that it isn't the ultimate. But yes!! BJJ and any MA will protect you from other MAs... If not, why do you train BJJ then?? Like we've said in many threads, never underestimate the guy in front of you... And never underestimate yourself either. That TKD guy better hit with perfect accuracy, cause once he's clinched, he's history... His ass will be down, down, down... And submitted!!

Peace...

[crazyjoe380]

another thing about "no rules"

is you have to be careful if you do bjj on someone cause if on the streets, i'm in "your guard" best believe i'm smashing your nuts with my knee or gonna strike your "area" ...
a bjj fighter is going to have a plan to do this and that but it can all stop if you get hit in the balls..


if i go for a take down.. best believe i'm a jab your balls and bite and go for the eyes, and us small joint manipulation...
fighters forget that your in the street and go into "tournament mod" and someone has to yell.. "its the streets stupid!" go for the gusto!!

[AKF]

Well said on all of your points, conach.

I think crazyjoe summed my point up perfectly. Yes, BJJ and MT are AWESOME in reality combat (UFC etc.), and yes, I feel safest on the street because I train in both of them. But...

In UFC, because of the rules, it really is discipline versus discipline. On the street it's MAN VERSUS MAN -- NO RULES!! If you are GREAT at BJJ, then getting into a clinch, going for a taken down and then into an easy choke or something, might be no problem for you. I think sometimes though that EVERYONE on this board who talks about BJJ and street fighting thinks that they're one of the Gracie's!! From a clinch or a guard, some VERY BAD things can happen to you that would be considered very against the rules of a UFC fight. Are you prepared for that?Because I bet few of us train that way.

I LOVE BJJ, but it is NOT the great protector on the street. Pull guard on ANYONE who has some street fighting ability, and you may find yourself getting your ass kicked -- maybe not, but maybe.

[Szczepankiewicz]

I think we should clarify that the UFC, Pride, King of the Cage are not, nor have they ever been, 'real combat'.

Real fighting? Yes, I would agree with that. Two people who have a certain amount of respect for each other going in to see who is the better fighter.


Real Combat? Absolutely not. This is sport competition with a governing body, a referee and judges.

[gracilva]

i.m.o
once you mix your bjj with head butts, elbows,knees etc on the take downs, it is unbeatable.
there is a time and place for ground fighting, as there is for standup, what i am getting to is, you would obviously throw punches, kicks and the rest first, then clinch, then take down once on the ground in the mount obviously you would punch and elbow before going into any holds



sorry guys this reply was supposed to be for the "what is the best style" question