Judo against punches / kicks

[brad2]

But I still rate Judo. It has been underrated for years, as various Karate and Kung Fu practitioners disregarded it, thinking their punches and kicks would keep a Judoka at bay. Now we know the truth.

This was from a previous post. (Sorry I'm ignorant on this subject) could someone explain the truth? How does a judoka defeat those kicks and punches?

thanks.

[crazyjoe380]

judo is cool if you get the first strikes so honestly it's any mans game ... if dude is stronger then you then nothing you can do.. and gets a good 1 2 punch and smashes you ... it's over..

If they keep their head low and get on the inside very quickly, then he will be too close for the punches to have any effect.

[AKF]

Judo is an awesome form of self defense/fighting as long as you're good at it. Kicks and punches are awesome, but imagine how quickly an altercation would end if you dumped so idioit on his back, full power, onto the cement side walk!

[conach]

When I was a kid, I was fooling around with a friend, playing on a cemented surface. He accidentally took me down and my head hit (he didn't do Judo or anything)... I had to go lay down in bed for a long while... The impact itself was traumatic. You hear a solid POW, and then your head feels heavy. A Judo practitioner has the ability to get into someone's guard, even avoiding punches. Once he grabs your shirt... Oh boy... An Uchi Mata (inner thigh throw) to the cement and game over.

Many of us disrespected Judo very much, even myself. We think that if we kick and punch the crap out of a Judoka, he has no chance. I just have to retract myself on disrespecting Judo, cause I was wrong... The throws Judo has are very valuable.

Later...

[MrPoopy]

Bri is right about passing the punching and kicking range. We work takedowns in my BJJ class with one person wearing gloves and the other wearing headgear. We can pretty much try to KO the person doing the takedown. Once they manage to pass the punching range, punches are no longer very effective. This would be no different for a judoka.

[Brokenmace]

My only problem with the going theory on getting inside the guard is that even at that range, biting, gouging, headbutts, and knees can still work. As well as grabbing the ol' bits-n-pieces.

Unless the Judoka wraps up his apponent quite quickly and destroys him with the impact of the throw, things get nasty fast.

Personally, I believe (for the street) that the takedown is more valuable than ground work. As was stated before, simply taking someone to the ground is a weapon, and can do more damage potentially than the other more involved techniques in the grappling arts.

Don't get me wrong, though. Sometimes takedowns aren't enough (though we practice them to increase the chance ), and you have to try for kimuras, armbars and the like.

But for the life of me, I can't see why some one would want to roll around on the ground with someone, when his buddies might come up on you with a broken bottle. Much better to be standing over his broken, bloodspattered form, looking out for the next fool.

This of course is all assuming we're talking street. The ring is different. In the ring takedowns are rarely enough (from what I've seen).

[Szczepankiewicz]

Careful Mace, you will get Bitty all excited talking about 'bits and pieces'!


You do have to watch out for the dirty tactics, but most of the time these are moves of desparation. I don't know if too many people that bite and eye gouge right out of the chute.

If some of the jodoka I have trained with were able to execute a throw on me on concrete that would pretty much take the fight out of me. These guys are strong and quick and know what they are doing.

It's all over but the cryin'.....

SZ

[crazyjoe380]

Man, fighting is fighting...

you try to analize a fight too much and you are gonna lose.. you never know what can happen or what someone is going to do. once you have your skills on a subconscience level meaning that you just react and us whatever method is nessesary for that situation.

when you fist fighting you blank out a little and do what you must.. the only time your thinking as far as "what do i do now?" is if you both are good and you both are tired.. you both are waiting for one to make a mistake or if your on the ground and your thinking of what to do.. but analizing is done before the fight starts..
"hmm he has his hands down and talking alot of s.hit.. should i elbow him or us my fist.. maybe i should headbutt him"...

thats the time i think.. as far as anything else .. it's subconscience... the only thing is i dont want to get stabbed or shot.. i my teeth knocked out cause then i wont any dates for a while.. NO TEETH = NO WOMEN

[Brokenmace]

All too true. As for dirty tricks being moves of desperation . . .

This is the primary difference between training for the street and trianing for the ring. In the ring there are rules. If there are no rings there are no rules (sometimes a ring can be a ring of people, though).

My entire repetoire is designed around so-called "dirty tricks" Sure, I know how to punch and kick and I have a basic and growing understanding of grappling. But the most effective things to end a fight quick are the things you can't do in the ring.

Take the shin/knee kick. This is a nasty technique, as simple as it is. The reason most of us haven't experienced its effectiveness is because it can be dangerous or illegal in both ring and training atmospheres. I've never kicked someone full-force in the knees, but I know it hurts from the light contact I've had.

I train groin smashing, throat ripping, eye gouging, nerve pinching, bone breaking, and organ disruption all on a regular basis. With the exception of maybe bone breaking, none of these things is routinely considered by most folks who practice, say, Muay Thai or BJJ.

Better to be prepared.

[crazyjoe380]

i like .. i like ^^^^

throat smashing.. damn that hurts just hearing it..

Now we are getting to the theories of the Close Quarter Combatives. The founder thought that there were too many techniques in the Martial Arts. He wanted to devise a system that would be easy to learn, yet deadly. The less techniques the better. It was taught to British and American Commando's/Marines in the Second World War.

He came up with strikes to the eyes, throat/neck, groin and knees etc. The problem with this system is that you had better NOT get into a fight, as you will be fearful of the injuries your OPPONENT gets! A good rule of thumb is to look in the rulebook of your art, look at the body parts you are not allowed to strike, THEN TRAIN IN STRIKING THOSE!

I have often thought that it is easier to learn how to maim or kill an oponent than it is to control him in a manner causing less injury.

They also set great store by the mindset necessary for victory. Merciless, Intense, Aggressive, Refuse to Lose etc. If it kicks off with someone well into this style you had better be prepared to Kill or Get Killed. Because they are.

[Szczepankiewicz]

My entire repetoire is designed around so-called "dirty tricks"

We know you just like to bite people....