Kyokushin Karate or Kickboxing

[Einherjar]

In my opinion sparring according to any kind of rules tends to develop some kind of bad habits that put you in danger in a fight.

My point exactly! And that's why crosstraining has become a must. And for a good reason.

Crosstraining not only allows you to develop different abilities, it also gets you used to the fact that rules can (and will) change, so you can never now what follows next.

[mushinmaster]

Originally posted by mushinmaster


says who?

clarification - -

who says you can't punch to the face in bare-knuckle, it depends on where you train and what rules you fight under

[conach]

Posted by Sean J

In my opinion sparring according to any kind of rules
tends to develop some kind of bad habits
that put you in danger in a fight.

In essence, one of the main reasons we train Martial Arts is learning how to fight. This quote applies mostly to traditional Karate, with its point fighting sparring that is just suicidal in my opinion. Sparring in full contact, like in Kyokushin, Muay Thai and Kickboxing is the only way to be in touch with reality, and that is why these styles get all the credit, regarding its differences. In one of the replies by Einherjar in The Street Fighter Syndrome thread, I read something really interesting: "When you are facing an opponent who is willing to beat you to a bloody pulp, and who is going to use real contact to make his dreams come true, one tend to forget low stances, hikite and cool-looking techniques and stick to what it looks safer: a close resemble of a boxer's guard and a few punches and low kicks."

So definetely is up to each of us that have to get serious in the training... Learning to hit and get hit in order to succeed. "There are no cool-looking techniques in streetfighting, just raw power, clumsy moves and LOTS of agressiveness. Nobody cares about form, posture or correct body alignment. It would be nice that things worked like that but, sadly, in a real fighting situation, there's no time to waste so, either you go for it or your head will be served on a plate", wrote Einherjar.

I have never heard of Kyokushinkai schools fight allowing no glove full contact blows to the face and head. It would seem a little strange to try and learn how to defend yourself at a place where they will make you beat each other up so much!

Either way, punching or not, hand strikes to the head are the most common form of attack in the street.

What is natural is the fact that the brain is the major organ we have, and bouncing that about by striking the head has the best chance of winning you a fight.

Funny how pro boxers wear groin guards but not head guards? I wonder which organ they value most!

[crazyjoe380]

IT DEPEND WHO U ARE FIGHTING..



LIKE I SAID YOU GUYS ARE GETTING TOO TECHNICAL.. THE BETTER FIGHER IS GOING TO WIN REGARDLESS OF THE STYLE..


"OH A CLINCH HERE AND THIS STYLE DOESN'T DO THAT" ...

LOL


SOUNDS FUNNY

[Sean J]

Originally posted by mushinmaster


clarification - -

who says you can't punch to the face in bare-knuckle, it depends on where you train and what rules you fight under

Like I said, it depends on how you define bare knuckle - that is why I mentioned the Kyukushinkai rules.
Of course there are rules where you punch bare knuckle to the face - JKA-Shotokan - but then again not full contact.

Over the years I have met very few people crazy enough to spar full-contact-bare-knuckle-all-targets, if that is what somebody here means. In fackt I have only sparred with one so far, who was that crazy. I voluntarily left his face alone. I made him leave my face alone. Yet it only took about a minute.

[conach]

True Sean J... Although I've sparred bare knuckled in Kyokushin, there's no punching to the face, only kicking (in 100% full contact). I've witnessed strong kicking with knockdown in regular practice. That's about it... No punching to the face. People that get crazy in sparring are just not allowed to do so. There are particular rules. Bare knuckled punching to the face is not typical of MA as far as I know, there's always gloves. Even Muay Thai uses them. Correct me if I'm wrong...

Thanx for all the discussion created along this thread. We sure get along fine, regarding our differences. Keep it up.

Later...