Kyokushin Karate or Kickboxing

conach · 10-03-2002, 07:53 PM

What's your opinion on this...

conach · 10-03-2002, 08:07 PM

One thing... I am totally aware of Muay Thai being the best overall, so please focus on Western or American Kickboxing and Kyokushin Karate. I have no MT training available. Thanx...

crazyjoe380 · 10-08-2002, 01:17 AM

i would take american kb

why? cause they have boxing in it..

boxing is always good.. good with ur hands.. go for the knockout

CHOKE UK · 10-09-2002, 01:37 PM

I'd have to agree with crazy joe, (i seem to be making a habit of that ) !!!!!!

For me the boxing element is more important and given more emphasis than in straigh muay thai.

My instructor taught both, so you could choose your preference.

Bruceyou70 · 10-09-2002, 02:57 PM

I believe not one style would be best for a certain person who choses it or dont know therefore having to ask for opinion is a sure way of never finding out what is best style for that particular person. There are so many styles out there...best style is perhaps no style, instead extracting best techniques from each and every diff. styles that are offered in Martial arts or Self-Defense techniques. Anyhow to answer your question...Karate (meaning empty hands/ bare hand or fist) or kickboxing (wearing of a glove and going for rounds after rounds / sports) I cannot answer for you...you must decide what your goal is first.

crazyjoe380 · 10-09-2002, 05:35 PM

Look at egor vochansen..

beating up everyone with just boxing.. explain that..

its how you use the art..

StraightBlaster · 10-09-2002, 05:40 PM

Igor does lots of stuff that would be illegal in boxing, so he is not doing boxing.

crazyjoe380 · 10-09-2002, 06:28 PM

throwing a left and right jab hook regardless if there is a knee..

if you throw a punch after punch..

what is it??

karate?? judo??

your a smart ass... hahaha

StraightBlaster · 10-10-2002, 12:33 AM

If you throw punch after punch its.....

Karate, kung fu, taekwondo, hapkido, jujitsu, savate, kali, jeet kune do, wing chun, shaolin, hung gar, pankration, etc.

I'm not a smart ass its the truth. All arts have punches. The rules of boxing is what makes it boxing. You break the rules and your not doing boxing.

Everyone in MMA uses the same style. Styles are just the rules you use when sparring. Everything is damn same.

crazyjoe380 · 10-10-2002, 02:08 PM

Its boxing and that's that..

BOXING: is an athletic contest between two persons, each of whom uses the fists to try to knock the other unconscious or to inflict enough punishment.

THAT'S THE MEANING OF BOXING YOU JACK ASS..

StraightBlaster · 10-10-2002, 06:07 PM

No its not joe. Boxing is a sport with a long list of rules. You break the rules and your not boxing.

crazyjoe380 · 10-10-2002, 06:13 PM

no no no ...

What about Chinese boxing?? explain that??

it has kicks but they call it boxing.. explain that one??

you can't win buddy.. no way..

the definition is there.. you lose

conach · 10-10-2002, 08:29 PM

Igor Vovchanchyn beating everyone with just boxing, Joe??

Vovchanchyn got submitted by "Zen Machine" Mario Sperry in Pride 17... now you explain me that!!!

By the way, Igor also does Combat Sambo, so he's not only a kickboxer.

Thanx for the advice on boxing, Joe. I will keep it in mind.

But I have another question to all... Kyokushin's kicking approaches (but never matches) Muay Thai in some way. Kicks to the legs are very common, and also some effective kicking is present in the style. And I mean true knockout kicking. This is what has me thinking. There's no kicking to the legs in Kickboxing. Of course the boxing technique present in KB is important to consider, but what about kicks?? I want to make a real good decision.

And no... I can't practice both of them, just one.

Thanx to all for the posts... Later

StraightBlaster · 10-11-2002, 03:29 AM

Chinese boxing is not boxing. Thats why its called chinese boxing and not called boxing.

Yes, the defination is there. Boxing is clearly defined as a sport with rules.

At this point I will assume you are a troll and just having fun and not this thick headed.

StraightBlaster · 10-11-2002, 03:40 AM

Conach,

It comes down to what you want out of it.

Kickboxing has better punches.

Kyokushin has leg kicks and throws and I believe knees but i'm not sure about that.

I think they are even. No head punches is not good, but no throws and no leg kicks is also bad.

I would base it on if you want to learn how to throw people or not.

Check to see if Kyokushin allows knees to the head in the clinch. I think they might. If thats the case then all its missing is head punches. Sure thats important but not too hard to punch the face instead of the body in a street fight.

If you took kyokushin, boxed with some buddys on the side and learned some basic grappling you would be set.

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10-03-2002, 08:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
conach Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Venezuela Posts: 72 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	One thing... I am totally aware of Muay Thai being the best overall, so please focus on Western or American Kickboxing and Kyokushin Karate. I have no MT training available. Thanx...

10-08-2002, 01:17 AM	#3 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	i would take american kb why? cause they have boxing in it.. boxing is always good.. good with ur hands.. go for the knockout

10-09-2002, 01:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
CHOKE UK Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: UNITED KINGDOM Posts: 374 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'd have to agree with crazy joe, (i seem to be making a habit of that ) !!!!!! For me the boxing element is more important and given more emphasis than in straigh muay thai. My instructor taught both, so you could choose your preference.

10-09-2002, 02:57 PM	#5 (permalink)
Bruceyou70 Novice Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Meadows, TX Posts: 8 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I believe not one style would be best for a certain person who choses it or dont know therefore having to ask for opinion is a sure way of never finding out what is best style for that particular person. There are so many styles out there...best style is perhaps no style, instead extracting best techniques from each and every diff. styles that are offered in Martial arts or Self-Defense techniques. Anyhow to answer your question...Karate (meaning empty hands/ bare hand or fist) or kickboxing (wearing of a glove and going for rounds after rounds / sports) I cannot answer for you...you must decide what your goal is first.

10-09-2002, 05:35 PM	#6 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Look at egor vochansen.. beating up everyone with just boxing.. explain that.. its how you use the art..

10-09-2002, 05:40 PM	#7 (permalink)
StraightBlaster Novice Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 50 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Igor does lots of stuff that would be illegal in boxing, so he is not doing boxing.

10-09-2002, 06:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	throwing a left and right jab hook regardless if there is a knee.. if you throw a punch after punch.. what is it?? karate?? judo?? your a smart ass... hahaha

10-10-2002, 12:33 AM	#9 (permalink)
StraightBlaster Novice Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 50 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	If you throw punch after punch its..... Karate, kung fu, taekwondo, hapkido, jujitsu, savate, kali, jeet kune do, wing chun, shaolin, hung gar, pankration, etc. I'm not a smart ass its the truth. All arts have punches. The rules of boxing is what makes it boxing. You break the rules and your not doing boxing. Everyone in MMA uses the same style. Styles are just the rules you use when sparring. Everything is damn same.

10-10-2002, 06:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
StraightBlaster Novice Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 50 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	No its not joe. Boxing is a sport with a long list of rules. You break the rules and your not boxing.

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crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	no no no ... What about Chinese boxing?? explain that?? it has kicks but they call it boxing.. explain that one?? you can't win buddy.. no way.. the definition is there.. you lose

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10-10-2002, 08:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
conach Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Venezuela Posts: 72 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Igor Vovchanchyn beating everyone with just boxing, Joe?? Vovchanchyn got submitted by "Zen Machine" Mario Sperry in Pride 17... now you explain me that!!! By the way, Igor also does Combat Sambo, so he's not only a kickboxer. Thanx for the advice on boxing, Joe. I will keep it in mind. But I have another question to all... Kyokushin's kicking approaches (but never matches) Muay Thai in some way. Kicks to the legs are very common, and also some effective kicking is present in the style. And I mean true knockout kicking. This is what has me thinking. There's no kicking to the legs in Kickboxing. Of course the boxing technique present in KB is important to consider, but what about kicks?? I want to make a real good decision. And no... I can't practice both of them, just one. Thanx to all for the posts... Later

10-11-2002, 03:29 AM	#14 (permalink)
StraightBlaster Novice Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 50 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Chinese boxing is not boxing. Thats why its called chinese boxing and not called boxing. Yes, the defination is there. Boxing is clearly defined as a sport with rules. At this point I will assume you are a troll and just having fun and not this thick headed.

10-11-2002, 03:40 AM	#15 (permalink)
StraightBlaster Novice Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 50 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Conach, It comes down to what you want out of it. Kickboxing has better punches. Kyokushin has leg kicks and throws and I believe knees but i'm not sure about that. I think they are even. No head punches is not good, but no throws and no leg kicks is also bad. I would base it on if you want to learn how to throw people or not. Check to see if Kyokushin allows knees to the head in the clinch. I think they might. If thats the case then all its missing is head punches. Sure thats important but not too hard to punch the face instead of the body in a street fight. If you took kyokushin, boxed with some buddys on the side and learned some basic grappling you would be set.