Shotokan on the ground???

binski20 · 10-05-2002, 12:47 AM

I wa just reading an article on the net, out of Black Belt I believe, and they were talking about shotokan on the ground. They were saying that shotokan emphasized the one strike method. They then said that it also contained throws, sweeps and some groundwork in case one strike did not work.

I am not trying to say shotokan is an ultimate art, just curious if anyone has ever heard this, or better yet, knows for sure about it. I do realize as well that each school may have differences in them.

tmanifold · 10-05-2002, 02:23 AM

In Karate-Do KyoHan Funakoshi shows some of Karate throwing techniques. They range from Judo like throws to a big pile driver looking thing.

Tony

StraightBlaster · 10-05-2002, 05:03 AM

Shotokan does not have ground work in it originally. Just throws and standing locks.

binski20 · 10-05-2002, 08:32 AM

So there ARE throws, but not groundwork?

10-05-2002, 05:19 PM

Look, if you want to spend your valuable training time walking up and down the dojo like a robot, then join a Shotokan Karate club. They will also pretend to teach you how to fight.......

binski20 · 10-05-2002, 06:41 PM

LMAO @ Bri Thai

Read the post man. I was curious about this because I read it and was unaware that it existed. Don't recall mentioning training in it. Nice assumption though

Sean J · 10-05-2002, 08:21 PM

Yes there are definitely sweeps - they are also allowed in traditional Karate point fighting. And there are throws and locks. but none of that could be defined as ground fighting.

There definitely are people around who can fight, based on Shotokan Karate. In the city where I used to work as a doorman about 80% of the doormen came from Shotokan. I am not saying, though, that they were all the same guys who won the Karate tournaments. But there were actually dojos that managed to make good tournament fighters/players and good practical fighters.

Mad Dog · 10-06-2002, 11:14 PM

Any "good" fighters around who train in shotokan are good in spite of it, not because of it....

JaredExtreme · 10-07-2002, 02:56 AM

Good point mad dog.

crazyjoe380 · 10-08-2002, 11:05 AM

*looks at shotakan post*

*pulls out the old jokes*

i dont care if you had shaka-kan on the ground

*chuckles*

*walks away*

StraightBlaster · 10-09-2002, 01:42 AM

Have any of you seen what karate is like in japan? Full contact, no pads at all(cup/mouth piece only). No punches to the head, only to the body. Kicks and knees anywhere. Clinching and throwing is allowed.

Sure, its not perfect, but its actually pretty good. Alltho karate in america is of course a sad thing indeed...

crazyjoe380 · 10-09-2002, 11:11 AM

i'll give you that...^^^

k1 in japan is pretty ruff! but muay thai is used there too...

Sean J · 10-09-2002, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by StraightBlaster
Have any of you seen what karate is like in japan? Full contact, no pads at all(cup/mouth piece only). No punches to the head, only to the body. Kicks and knees anywhere. Clinching and throwing is allowed.

Sure, its not perfect, but its actually pretty good. Alltho karate in america is of course a sad thing indeed...

That is not only in Japan that they do it that way - that kind of karate competition and sparring went around the world with Kyukushinkai-Karate more than 25 years ago. I have trained a lot with guys who kame from Kyukushinkai and who had done a lot of that kind of sparring. They wer not any worse or any better than most.

StraightBlaster · 10-10-2002, 01:36 AM

Thats true sean, but its still mainly in japan. Most karate outside of japan seems to still be the wussy 'tag' version. Outside of japan for every full contact karate tournment you see, you see ten crappy tap tournaments.

crazyjoe380 · 10-10-2002, 01:52 AM

hey karate kid part one was no joke. that was contact..

*runs away laughing*

10-05-2002, 12:47 AM	#1 (permalink)
binski20 Sweet Scientist Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 68 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Shotokan on the ground??? I wa just reading an article on the net, out of Black Belt I believe, and they were talking about shotokan on the ground. They were saying that shotokan emphasized the one strike method. They then said that it also contained throws, sweeps and some groundwork in case one strike did not work. I am not trying to say shotokan is an ultimate art, just curious if anyone has ever heard this, or better yet, knows for sure about it. I do realize as well that each school may have differences in them.

10-05-2002, 02:23 AM	#2 (permalink)
tmanifold Novice Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Victoria, BC Canada Posts: 6 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	In Karate-Do KyoHan Funakoshi shows some of Karate throwing techniques. They range from Judo like throws to a big pile driver looking thing. Tony __________________ " Attack, attack, attack- come at your target from every possible direction and press until his defenses overload. Never give him time to recover his balance: never give him time to counter" Stover http://members.shaw.ca/tmanifold

10-05-2002, 08:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
Sean J Novice Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 79 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes there are definitely sweeps - they are also allowed in traditional Karate point fighting. And there are throws and locks. but none of that could be defined as ground fighting. There definitely are people around who can fight, based on Shotokan Karate. In the city where I used to work as a doorman about 80% of the doormen came from Shotokan. I am not saying, though, that they were all the same guys who won the Karate tournaments. But there were actually dojos that managed to make good tournament fighters/players and good practical fighters. __________________ Sean J Last edited by Sean J; 10-05-2002 at 08:26 PM.

10-06-2002, 11:14 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mad Dog Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Antioch, Ca Posts: 162 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Any "good" fighters around who train in shotokan are good in spite of it, not because of it.... __________________ He who contemplates the possibility of defeat is but a step away from achieving it....

10-07-2002, 02:56 AM	#9 (permalink)
JaredExtreme Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,115 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Good point mad dog. __________________ "I don't fight in the street, there's no mats out there." - JaredExtreme

10-05-2002, 05:03 AM	#3 (permalink)
StraightBlaster Novice Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 50 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Shotokan does not have ground work in it originally. Just throws and standing locks.

10-05-2002, 08:32 AM	#4 (permalink)
binski20 Sweet Scientist Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 68 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	So there ARE throws, but not groundwork?

10-05-2002, 05:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
Bri Thai Guest Posts: n/a	Look, if you want to spend your valuable training time walking up and down the dojo like a robot, then join a Shotokan Karate club. They will also pretend to teach you how to fight.......

10-05-2002, 06:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
binski20 Sweet Scientist Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 68 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	LMAO @ Bri Thai Read the post man. I was curious about this because I read it and was unaware that it existed. Don't recall mentioning training in it. Nice assumption though

10-08-2002, 11:05 AM	#10 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	looks at shotakan post pulls out the old jokes i dont care if you had shaka-kan on the ground chuckles walks away

10-09-2002, 01:42 AM	#11 (permalink)
StraightBlaster Novice Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 50 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Have any of you seen what karate is like in japan? Full contact, no pads at all(cup/mouth piece only). No punches to the head, only to the body. Kicks and knees anywhere. Clinching and throwing is allowed. Sure, its not perfect, but its actually pretty good. Alltho karate in america is of course a sad thing indeed...

10-09-2002, 11:11 AM	#12 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	i'll give you that...^^^ k1 in japan is pretty ruff! but muay thai is used there too...

10-10-2002, 01:36 AM	#14 (permalink)
StraightBlaster Novice Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 50 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thats true sean, but its still mainly in japan. Most karate outside of japan seems to still be the wussy 'tag' version. Outside of japan for every full contact karate tournment you see, you see ten crappy tap tournaments.

10-10-2002, 01:52 AM	#15 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	hey karate kid part one was no joke. that was contact.. runs away laughing

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