Military Hand to Hand Fighting.

[Brokenmace]

Crazyjoe,

I was talking about the Army, not the Marine Corps. MCMAP is a Marine Corps program. It is mandatory, apparently. This isn't the case in the Army, yet.

In the Army, mostly it's special ops command that gets indepth h2h training.

The Marines have always been hardcore. Don't mess with their cooks!

[mushinmaster]

basic CQC for the army. It was a joke!!!!!!!!

Same thing with the ladies defense courses taught here.

Boxing and grappling are the only classes they teach right, and Judo.

[Brokenmace]

mushinmaster,

Now I'm curious. Can you give us an example of bad Army CQC technique or training?

The stuff my Ranger friend demonstrated for me looked effective, but like I said, they don't teach that to most of the troops. Certainly not in basic . . .

[mushinmaster]

It was four hours total. We did some sabaki type movements in the beginning, the palm heel strike, elbow, hammer fist, and front kick. In general, it was taught pretty poorly, reminded me of my days in TKD. We would pair up and have one dude attack, and the other do some basic fighting combinations of the above mentioned techniques. It was unrealistic, but maybe that's 'cuz it was so basic. After that we broke out the football pads and practiced the front kick and palm heel strike on the pads, everyone was way off balance, poor technique, and no one cared. The instructors were cadets who got certified at some crash course. Horribly run, did absolutly nothing for me or anyone in my unit, regaurdless of experience.

I'm sure CQC for RANGERS is of a higher level. Also, basic for cadets is kinda broken up, as far as normal military tasks. What I went through this summer was really only 3 or 4 weeks in the field, and the rest learning how to be a cadet. We only did pretty basic stuff - cqc, bayonet, rifle marksmanship, grenades, got gased, repelled, climbed, ruck marches, ITT, squad on squad, and this 30-hour event with pretty much everything we learned in it. Normal army basic is 8 weeks, and I think they spend more time on military tasks and less time dicking around in garrison. Next summer I'll recieve more CQC, hopefully it'll be a little more useful. I get to play with the cool stuff too, SAW, M240B, grenade launcher, M4, M136 AT-4 antitank weapon, Tanks, hummers, .50 cal, land nav, adv land nav, air assault in the black hawks, what's the sound of artillery?

BOOM! BOOM!

Also, next academic year I take grappling as a gym class, which I've heard is a really good class.

I'll let you know in four years what I think of RANGER training, but its probably going to be a lot better, at least I hope so. As far as the CQC they taught me, more like a ladies self defense course than anything...

[Brokenmace]

Sad. Really sad.

It seems the real problem was the quality of the trainers. The moves themselves sound solid enough, and at least you attempted contact, unlike some schools. But the instructors sounded like they were disinterested and poorly trained . . .

Do you think you'll get your sweaty palms on any Javelins (new antitank weapon). Thems are kooooool.

[mushinmaster]

The AT-4 costs something like $10,000 a piece, one shot only. One cadet from every two companies gets to fire a live round. So, I'm thinking its pretty unlikely I'll get to fire the javelin, which is like a smart AT-4 on steroids.

If you've seen a demo of it, you know that bastard completly demolishes tanks. It's pretty damn awsome. I know there's a demo online somewhere, I'll have to look for it.

[Brokenmace]

Anyone who wants a thurough working knowledge of military weaponry should visit the Federation of American Scientists site at http://www.fas.org

Those folks are serious. They even had to remove stuff after 9/11 because of the danger that terrorists might use some of the knowledge they posted before on biochemical warfare. Go to the conventional weapons link on the right side and look in the smart weapons section. The javelin should be there.

Yeah, I know it's expensive. But I was holding out hope. After all, the military does pay for $10K toilets . . .