How many of you would honestly say you could kill someone? Give me scenerios.... - Page 2

Ryu (JKD?) · 11-02-2002, 05:09 PM

I would kill someone if their name was joe and they were crazy....

Ryu

MrPoopy · 11-02-2002, 06:09 PM

Bri Thai, you ever see someone get put away that acted in self defense, but didn't really do that much wrong and didn't lie about it? Like maybe he beat the hell out of someone but the guy really deserved it.

"Don't tell your granny how to suck eggs". I understand the meaning of that phrase even tho it makes no sense at all. Should my grandmother be experienced in egg sucking?

chalambok · 11-02-2002, 07:56 PM

I can honestly say that killing someone is easy, it's not killing them that is hard. But that is why we train, right, so we can do nonlethal damage to prevent further conflict. Just read the paper diligently for a year or so and you will see all kinds of accidental deaths in bar fights or street encounters, usually when someone tries to wrestle some other person down and they end up hitting their head, or someone tries to apply a choke to someone during a struggle and ends up bruising the larynx, which results in a later death. Probably, (with a large qualifier here) you can kill someone if you are definitely in fear of your own life or imminent threat of harm to someone you love, and can convince a jury. Evidential rules and assault laws vary from state to state and country to country so this is all rife speculation anyway, and juries are notoriously inconsistent, especially during penalty phases. Interesting thread CrazyJoe; probably the real crazies are those of us putting our name to these responses for the world to see LOL

11-03-2002, 08:15 AM

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Originally posted by MrPoopy
Bri Thai, you ever see someone get put away that acted in self defense, but didn't really do that much wrong and didn't lie about it? Like maybe he beat the hell out of someone but the guy really deserved it.

"Don't tell your granny how to suck eggs". I understand the meaning of that phrase even tho it makes no sense at all. Should my grandmother be experienced in egg sucking?

No, I have never seen a person succesfully prosecuted when I genuinely thought he had acted in self defence. There are a lot of bogus claims in the press, like that Tony Martin guy. He was a helpless pensioner who was terrified and shot a dangerous armed raider with a legally held shotgun and then was put in prison..........

No. He was a man with criminal convitions for firearms offences who lived like a pig and lay in wait for a couple of low life burglars with an illegally held gun. He then shot one of them (a child) in the back when he was trying to run away. See what I mean? Of course those men should not be burglars, but a sentence of death was a little harsh......and it was hardly self defence at all.

As for egg sucking, you'll have to be quiet. I've heard that Schizo has disguised his todger as an egg, and is hanging around Old Folks' Homes.......I'm forwarding the info to the appropriate authorites.

Mr. Miyagi · 11-03-2002, 12:07 PM

If you kill someone during or immedietely following a violent crime (rape, assault) against a loved one then you would probably get away with it; the cops might just let you off, the DA might not feel like pursuing it, you probably wouldn't get indicted, and if and this is a longshot if, it went to trial you'd still probably walk.

crazyjoe380 · 11-04-2002, 04:04 PM

depends..

racism is a big issue..

i know a white dude who shot a mexican guy and he got away with it..

he was carrying the gun illegally.. and he still didn't get sent away..

if he was mexican or black then he would have been charged for murder and possesion of a firearm..

punk000 · 11-07-2002, 08:11 AM

i dont think i would be able.... its one thing to give a person a bloddy nose, even a frend who pisses you off.... but if you kill someone, your gonna have to live with that for a long time, then id eventually start to think about the guy's family and all that stuff.... but i dont think id have any problem breaking his fingers, toes, and legs

(if they hurt dana that is)

midnight · 11-07-2002, 10:23 AM

Way back when I was younger I was a policeman, and had to answer a call of a domestic disturbance. When we arrived the house was all dark with the windows smashed and the neighbor telling us they heard shots. I popped my head trough the window to see what was inside and saw blood on the walls and a male laying on the bed, as I climbed in and called out if he was ok he turned around holing a 32 revolver he pulled the trigger and the bullet hit the wall above my head. I couldn’t get back out the window so I had to run down the hallway shouting to my partner to get back up (I was in full uniform and shouted 3 times that I was a cop) he said he couldn’t give a f**k and that I will die with him as he fired the next shot Fell down the stairs thinking OMG I have been hit but luckily the shot missed just as I fell. from the cover of the stairs I shot at his legs hopping he would come to his senses and stop shooting and give up I hit him 3 times in the legs but he reloaded and was detriment to kill me, I then just aimed higher and emptied my 9mm Beretta in his direction hitting him an other 5 times. Needless to say he died. There was an inquiry into the shooting and I was put on leave. It turned out he was on drugs and full of drink. He had a wife and a kid. The moral of the story did I feel guilty, yes but it passed it was me or him and yes if the same thing happens I will again protect myself or my loved ones

11-07-2002, 12:14 PM

It is better to be juddged by 12 than caried by 6.

Way to go midnight. I'm glad that you made it instead of him. Sleep soundly.

Szczepankiewicz · 11-07-2002, 02:43 PM

My todger? Yeah, but noone wants to suck an ostrich egg for some reason...

ceasarx · 11-07-2002, 09:46 PM

I am sure that I would kill someone if they tried or did hurt my family. If I had to do the deed I would dispose of the body in a camping fire and scatter the ashes. no body no case. If it where self defense In a public area I would try to immobalize my attacker if they where unarmed and rip there throat out if they had a weapon. Then I would be able to claim self defense with the witnesses in the area to back it up.

holte2 · 11-09-2002, 04:41 AM

yeah without a doubt, without caring if i went to jail or not i would kill someone if they serioulsy hurt or raped my fiance or my kids..if i ever have any....

actually this scenerio kind of happened to me already...long story short... this guy beat up a female friend of mine, i went to his apartment complex we got into it in the parking lot, exchnaged punches and he went to the ground with me on top of him.

The scary part of all this is that as i was punching him with one hand i was pushing my finger in his eye with the other hand. whats so scary is that all i remember thinking at that point was that if he cant see he cant fight. anyway i guess you never know whats going to happen once your adrenaline takes over.

oh the point of the story was i wasnt thinking about jail at all, until after it was over....

holte2 · 11-09-2002, 04:48 AM

hey here is a stupid question..from a legal standpoint....

do you have to wait for someone else do to do something before you can retaliate to avoid any legal repricussions?

or is it enough to be in a really heated argument that you know is about to get violent any second and instead of waiting you make the first move...

BRI THAI, MIDNIGHT..IM looking at you guys here....

11-09-2002, 01:19 PM

In British Law you do not have to wait for a person to make the first move. You can use a pre-emptive strike, but you will have to show that you were in fear of being immediately assaulted, and that your view was reasonable.

For example, if an old lady shouted at you for accidentally pushing past you, you would not legally be allowed to fill her face in. If a knife weilding man approaches you and demands your wallet, you will.

But each case will be decided on its' merits, by a jury. As for a heated argument I would think you are on sticky ground. The law expects you to walk away from trouble if you can.

midnight · 11-11-2002, 09:19 AM

I am sure the law differs form country to country but in most cases you would have to prove that you had reasonable and real fear "immediate" or "imminent" for your life or someone else’s- it starts to get very sticky, in arguments when you could have just walked away when you had a chance. There is a difference when you have a point to prove and when you are in danger. My 2 cents

11-02-2002, 05:09 PM	#16 (permalink)
Ryu (JKD?) Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 623 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I would kill someone if their name was joe and they were crazy.... Ryu __________________ Sekkendo...

11-02-2002, 06:09 PM	#17 (permalink)
MrPoopy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ks Posts: 782 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Bri Thai, you ever see someone get put away that acted in self defense, but didn't really do that much wrong and didn't lie about it? Like maybe he beat the hell out of someone but the guy really deserved it. "Don't tell your granny how to suck eggs". I understand the meaning of that phrase even tho it makes no sense at all. Should my grandmother be experienced in egg sucking? __________________ MrPoopy

11-04-2002, 04:04 PM	#21 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	depends.. racism is a big issue.. i know a white dude who shot a mexican guy and he got away with it.. he was carrying the gun illegally.. and he still didn't get sent away.. if he was mexican or black then he would have been charged for murder and possesion of a firearm.. __________________

11-07-2002, 08:11 AM	#22 (permalink)
punk000 Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: montreal canada Posts: 59 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	i dont think i would be able.... its one thing to give a person a bloddy nose, even a frend who pisses you off.... but if you kill someone, your gonna have to live with that for a long time, then id eventually start to think about the guy's family and all that stuff.... but i dont think id have any problem breaking his fingers, toes, and legs (if they hurt dana that is) __________________ TRY AND BEAT ME!!!!! "I know tea-bo"

11-07-2002, 10:23 AM	#23 (permalink)
midnight Novice Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: georgia USA Posts: 72 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Way back when I was younger I was a policeman, and had to answer a call of a domestic disturbance. When we arrived the house was all dark with the windows smashed and the neighbor telling us they heard shots. I popped my head trough the window to see what was inside and saw blood on the walls and a male laying on the bed, as I climbed in and called out if he was ok he turned around holing a 32 revolver he pulled the trigger and the bullet hit the wall above my head. I couldn’t get back out the window so I had to run down the hallway shouting to my partner to get back up (I was in full uniform and shouted 3 times that I was a cop) he said he couldn’t give a f**k and that I will die with him as he fired the next shot Fell down the stairs thinking OMG I have been hit but luckily the shot missed just as I fell. from the cover of the stairs I shot at his legs hopping he would come to his senses and stop shooting and give up I hit him 3 times in the legs but he reloaded and was detriment to kill me, I then just aimed higher and emptied my 9mm Beretta in his direction hitting him an other 5 times. Needless to say he died. There was an inquiry into the shooting and I was put on leave. It turned out he was on drugs and full of drink. He had a wife and a kid. The moral of the story did I feel guilty, yes but it passed it was me or him and yes if the same thing happens I will again protect myself or my loved ones __________________ "As soon as you concern yourself with the "good" and "bad" of your fellows, you create an opening in your heart for maliciousness to enter. Testing, competing with, and criticizing others weaken and defeat you." - Morihei Ueshiba

11-02-2002, 07:56 PM	#18 (permalink)
chalambok Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oregon City, Oregon USA Posts: 724 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I can honestly say that killing someone is easy, it's not killing them that is hard. But that is why we train, right, so we can do nonlethal damage to prevent further conflict. Just read the paper diligently for a year or so and you will see all kinds of accidental deaths in bar fights or street encounters, usually when someone tries to wrestle some other person down and they end up hitting their head, or someone tries to apply a choke to someone during a struggle and ends up bruising the larynx, which results in a later death. Probably, (with a large qualifier here) you can kill someone if you are definitely in fear of your own life or imminent threat of harm to someone you love, and can convince a jury. Evidential rules and assault laws vary from state to state and country to country so this is all rife speculation anyway, and juries are notoriously inconsistent, especially during penalty phases. Interesting thread CrazyJoe; probably the real crazies are those of us putting our name to these responses for the world to see LOL

11-03-2002, 12:07 PM	#20 (permalink)
Mr. Miyagi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 719 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	If you kill someone during or immedietely following a violent crime (rape, assault) against a loved one then you would probably get away with it; the cops might just let you off, the DA might not feel like pursuing it, you probably wouldn't get indicted, and if and this is a longshot if, it went to trial you'd still probably walk.

11-07-2002, 12:14 PM	#24 (permalink)
Bri Thai Guest Posts: n/a	It is better to be juddged by 12 than caried by 6. Way to go midnight. I'm glad that you made it instead of him. Sleep soundly.

11-07-2002, 02:43 PM	#25 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	My todger? Yeah, but noone wants to suck an ostrich egg for some reason...

11-07-2002, 09:46 PM	#26 (permalink)
ceasarx Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: oswego new york Posts: 116 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I am sure that I would kill someone if they tried or did hurt my family. If I had to do the deed I would dispose of the body in a camping fire and scatter the ashes. no body no case. If it where self defense In a public area I would try to immobalize my attacker if they where unarmed and rip there throat out if they had a weapon. Then I would be able to claim self defense with the witnesses in the area to back it up. __________________ We fight to defend ourselves our family and our country. If not then we have done something wrong

11-09-2002, 04:41 AM	#27 (permalink)
holte2 Novice Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: houston. tx Posts: 189 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	yeah without a doubt, without caring if i went to jail or not i would kill someone if they serioulsy hurt or raped my fiance or my kids..if i ever have any.... actually this scenerio kind of happened to me already...long story short... this guy beat up a female friend of mine, i went to his apartment complex we got into it in the parking lot, exchnaged punches and he went to the ground with me on top of him. The scary part of all this is that as i was punching him with one hand i was pushing my finger in his eye with the other hand. whats so scary is that all i remember thinking at that point was that if he cant see he cant fight. anyway i guess you never know whats going to happen once your adrenaline takes over. oh the point of the story was i wasnt thinking about jail at all, until after it was over.... __________________

11-09-2002, 04:48 AM	#28 (permalink)
holte2 Novice Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: houston. tx Posts: 189 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	hey here is a stupid question..from a legal standpoint.... do you have to wait for someone else do to do something before you can retaliate to avoid any legal repricussions? or is it enough to be in a really heated argument that you know is about to get violent any second and instead of waiting you make the first move... BRI THAI, MIDNIGHT..IM looking at you guys here.... __________________

11-09-2002, 01:19 PM	#29 (permalink)
Bri Thai Guest Posts: n/a	In British Law you do not have to wait for a person to make the first move. You can use a pre-emptive strike, but you will have to show that you were in fear of being immediately assaulted, and that your view was reasonable. For example, if an old lady shouted at you for accidentally pushing past you, you would not legally be allowed to fill her face in. If a knife weilding man approaches you and demands your wallet, you will. But each case will be decided on its' merits, by a jury. As for a heated argument I would think you are on sticky ground. The law expects you to walk away from trouble if you can.

11-11-2002, 09:19 AM	#30 (permalink)
midnight Novice Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: georgia USA Posts: 72 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I am sure the law differs form country to country but in most cases you would have to prove that you had reasonable and real fear "immediate" or "imminent" for your life or someone else’s- it starts to get very sticky, in arguments when you could have just walked away when you had a chance. There is a difference when you have a point to prove and when you are in danger. My 2 cents __________________ "As soon as you concern yourself with the "good" and "bad" of your fellows, you create an opening in your heart for maliciousness to enter. Testing, competing with, and criticizing others weaken and defeat you." - Morihei Ueshiba Last edited by midnight; 11-11-2002 at 09:59 AM.

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