Wing Chun Kung Fu.....waste of time and $ - Page 4

11-12-2002, 05:01 PM

I think Wing Chun would be far more effective if you restricted it to lightning fast bil jee finger thrusts, aimed at the eyes and the throat. But, of course, you could end up in jail for attacking in such a brutal manner.

Fights would last for 2 seconds, and opticians would lose another future customer.

Thats the thing with the UFC's and the MMA in general. They are civilised, and do not allow such strikes. Perhaps Wing Chun would have a chance of coming up top dogs if they did, though your pool of competitors would run low.

William · 11-12-2002, 05:23 PM

Thats the thing with the UFC's and the MMA in general. They are civilised, and do not allow such strikes. Perhaps Wing Chun would have a chance of coming up top dogs if they did, though your pool of competitors would run low.

Or they would start using the same techniques. That's the flaw with saying: "if they were allowed to do this or that". If you take them out of their game, they come up with a new game. You may catch the first guy off guard, but the rest will incorporate (if they're smart).

William

MinisterofDeath · 11-12-2002, 07:24 PM

i plan on competing here in about 1.5-2 years using WC.
http://www.rageinthecage.com/index.htm

William · 11-12-2002, 08:52 PM

MD wrote:

i plan on competing here in about 1.5-2 years using WC.

Best of luck to you. Keep us posted on your prep and fight date.

William

jesse7 · 11-12-2002, 08:56 PM

I had a look at the listing of all the fighters. There is one fighter that uses WC .. and hes not losing all his fights.

There are not many karate entrants but they seem to be doing ok as well. Its mostly BJJ, freestyle and streetfighters .. oh and wrestlers, that enter this. So yeh good luck as well I would be interested In watching this so keep us updated.

Also there is one TKD guy also, he won 1 lost 0 .. so thats pretty sweet too.

MinisterofDeath · 11-12-2002, 09:08 PM

thanx bro's! I'm training pretty hard right now after being out of it for about 3 weeks. I'll post info on here whenever things get set up. I plan on attending as a spectator at the next even. I let ya guys know how that turns out.

11-13-2002, 06:08 AM

William - you are right. But the WC guys would win early on, like the Gracies did at first (until everyone copied them). In striking competitions the Thai Boxers won just about every fight, but then started getting beaten by people from other styles. But the people from these other styles were using a great deal of Thai Boxing......so they weren't really from "other styles" anymore.

Jessie - The thing is, no matter what style they claim to have, they train in techniques from others styles. I mean, look at UFC3. Kimo the lunatic was down as a TKD guy. He was very effective (Especially since it seems to me he was steroided up for Jesus....) but I didn't see any actual TKD in his fighting on the day. So what style they claim to represent becomes increasingly irrelevant.

jesse7 · 11-13-2002, 01:35 PM

Yeh thats true in alot of cases.

chris davis 200 · 11-15-2002, 09:56 AM

[url=http://martialartinstitute.com/todays_topic_9_applied_wing_chun_in_thailand.htm [/URL]

Just found this.

Quite interesting

Cheers people
Chris

RishDog · 11-16-2002, 04:03 AM

I found and downloaded some videos of wingchun and other martial art clips from mcdojo.com

I have to say some of the wingchun there is shite! no wonder people think its crap.

Their latest vid is of a Karate vs a BBJ, interesting to watch. check it out!

MinisterofDeath · 11-16-2002, 12:34 PM

hahaha, I saw that Wing Chun video. That is a sad sad example, but rather funny nonetheless.

RishDog · 11-16-2002, 06:46 PM

I will agree with you there!

11-12-2002, 05:23 PM	#47 (permalink)
William Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: R.I. Posts: 566 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thats the thing with the UFC's and the MMA in general. They are civilised, and do not allow such strikes. Perhaps Wing Chun would have a chance of coming up top dogs if they did, though your pool of competitors would run low. Or they would start using the same techniques. That's the flaw with saying: "if they were allowed to do this or that". If you take them out of their game, they come up with a new game. You may catch the first guy off guard, but the rest will incorporate (if they're smart). William __________________ New England Pekiti-Tirsia Pitbulls Mongrel Combative Arts www.mongrelcombativearts.com All you need is love........and a sharp blade.....a hardwood flat stick......Oh, oh, oh and a Paraordinance lda 14.45 loaded with 230 grain hydra shocks,ranger SXT's or golden sabres Last edited by William; 11-12-2002 at 06:27 PM.

11-12-2002, 07:24 PM	#48 (permalink)
MinisterofDeath Novice Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 74 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	i plan on competing here in about 1.5-2 years using WC. http://www.rageinthecage.com/index.htm __________________ Self-defense is only an illusion, a dark cloak beneath which lurks a razor-sharp dagger waiting to be plunged into the first unwary victim. Whoever declares that any weapon manufactured today, whether it be a nuclear missle or a .38 special, is created for self-defense should look a little more closely at his own image in the mirror. Either he is a liar or is deceiving himself. Wing Chun kung fu is a very sophisticated weapon--nothing else. It is a science of combat, the intent of which is the total incapacitation of an opponent. It is straightforward, efficient and deadly. If you're looking to learn self-defense, don't study Wing Chun. It would be better for you to master the art of invisibility - Wong Shun Leung

11-12-2002, 08:52 PM	#49 (permalink)
William Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: R.I. Posts: 566 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	MD wrote: i plan on competing here in about 1.5-2 years using WC. Best of luck to you. Keep us posted on your prep and fight date. William __________________ New England Pekiti-Tirsia Pitbulls Mongrel Combative Arts www.mongrelcombativearts.com All you need is love........and a sharp blade.....a hardwood flat stick......Oh, oh, oh and a Paraordinance lda 14.45 loaded with 230 grain hydra shocks,ranger SXT's or golden sabres

11-12-2002, 09:08 PM	#51 (permalink)
MinisterofDeath Novice Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 74 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Gracias thanx bro's! I'm training pretty hard right now after being out of it for about 3 weeks. I'll post info on here whenever things get set up. I plan on attending as a spectator at the next even. I let ya guys know how that turns out. __________________ Self-defense is only an illusion, a dark cloak beneath which lurks a razor-sharp dagger waiting to be plunged into the first unwary victim. Whoever declares that any weapon manufactured today, whether it be a nuclear missle or a .38 special, is created for self-defense should look a little more closely at his own image in the mirror. Either he is a liar or is deceiving himself. Wing Chun kung fu is a very sophisticated weapon--nothing else. It is a science of combat, the intent of which is the total incapacitation of an opponent. It is straightforward, efficient and deadly. If you're looking to learn self-defense, don't study Wing Chun. It would be better for you to master the art of invisibility - Wong Shun Leung

11-16-2002, 04:03 AM	#55 (permalink)
RishDog Novice Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 54 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I found and downloaded some videos of wingchun and other martial art clips from mcdojo.com I have to say some of the wingchun there is shite! no wonder people think its crap. Their latest vid is of a Karate vs a BBJ, interesting to watch. check it out! __________________ Rishdog

11-12-2002, 05:01 PM	#46 (permalink)
Bri Thai Guest Posts: n/a	I think Wing Chun would be far more effective if you restricted it to lightning fast bil jee finger thrusts, aimed at the eyes and the throat. But, of course, you could end up in jail for attacking in such a brutal manner. Fights would last for 2 seconds, and opticians would lose another future customer. Thats the thing with the UFC's and the MMA in general. They are civilised, and do not allow such strikes. Perhaps Wing Chun would have a chance of coming up top dogs if they did, though your pool of competitors would run low.

11-12-2002, 08:56 PM	#50 (permalink)
jesse7 Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Hamilton New Zealand Posts: 141 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I had a look at the listing of all the fighters. There is one fighter that uses WC .. and hes not losing all his fights. There are not many karate entrants but they seem to be doing ok as well. Its mostly BJJ, freestyle and streetfighters .. oh and wrestlers, that enter this. So yeh good luck as well I would be interested In watching this so keep us updated. Also there is one TKD guy also, he won 1 lost 0 .. so thats pretty sweet too.

11-13-2002, 06:08 AM	#52 (permalink)
Bri Thai Guest Posts: n/a	William - you are right. But the WC guys would win early on, like the Gracies did at first (until everyone copied them). In striking competitions the Thai Boxers won just about every fight, but then started getting beaten by people from other styles. But the people from these other styles were using a great deal of Thai Boxing......so they weren't really from "other styles" anymore. Jessie - The thing is, no matter what style they claim to have, they train in techniques from others styles. I mean, look at UFC3. Kimo the lunatic was down as a TKD guy. He was very effective (Especially since it seems to me he was steroided up for Jesus....) but I didn't see any actual TKD in his fighting on the day. So what style they claim to represent becomes increasingly irrelevant.

11-13-2002, 01:35 PM	#53 (permalink)
jesse7 Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Hamilton New Zealand Posts: 141 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yeh thats true in alot of cases.

11-15-2002, 09:56 AM	#54 (permalink)
chris davis 200 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Posts: 724 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	[url=http://martialartinstitute.com/todays_topic_9_applied_wing_chun_in_thailand.htm [/URL] Just found this. Quite interesting Cheers people Chris

11-16-2002, 12:34 PM	#56 (permalink)
MinisterofDeath Novice Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 74 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	hahaha, I saw that Wing Chun video. That is a sad sad example, but rather funny nonetheless. __________________ Self-defense is only an illusion, a dark cloak beneath which lurks a razor-sharp dagger waiting to be plunged into the first unwary victim. Whoever declares that any weapon manufactured today, whether it be a nuclear missle or a .38 special, is created for self-defense should look a little more closely at his own image in the mirror. Either he is a liar or is deceiving himself. Wing Chun kung fu is a very sophisticated weapon--nothing else. It is a science of combat, the intent of which is the total incapacitation of an opponent. It is straightforward, efficient and deadly. If you're looking to learn self-defense, don't study Wing Chun. It would be better for you to master the art of invisibility - Wong Shun Leung

11-16-2002, 06:46 PM	#57 (permalink)
RishDog Novice Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 54 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I will agree with you there! __________________ Rishdog

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