Jujitsu vs. Bujinkan Taijutsu/ninjutsu - Page 3

greekmai · 11-21-2002, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jesse7
LOL ... my thoughts exactly .. I red his post .. thought .. wtf is he talking about .. how about some explanation .. then suddenly I froze and stared at my monitor for a few mintutes.

btw: It should be her post not his- I am a girl and yes a
FEISTY ONE!

jesse7 · 11-21-2002, 01:58 PM

Oh ok my mistake

. .. that animated gif is cool

greekmai · 11-21-2002, 02:08 PM

David Hume · 11-21-2002, 03:21 PM

Tell me more about your concern that Kenpo isn't full contact. What exactly is the definition of full contact and what is the "pitty patty" or whatever you mentioned. THe upper level belts put on head, foot, and hand gear when sparring and they seem to be popping one another pretty rough. By full contact do you mean sparring without any protective gear?

Also, they do use grappling, but I think it's more of a focus later in the training. This group is oriented towards a self-defense system that works, not aiming to preserve kenpo as an "Art". The instructor earned his purple through 3rd black from Ed Parker himself.

jesse7 · 11-21-2002, 03:48 PM

When sparing, in class I ware leg and arm pads. They are thin pads that protect the soft area on the top of your hand and foot. Also along the top of your forarm and shin. They do very little and full knuckle contact still happends. When we spar the only rules we have are .. not kicks to the nads .. and of course no eye gouges/dirty stuff.

We go almost all out. Personally I pull back on alot of my moves because I dont want to hurt some people (eg on kicks to the head) .. they know when I could have hurt them and they dont chuck a sneaky hit in. Some students do hit as hard as they can .. its personal choice.

We dont stop when someone get hit .. unless is something serious where they cant fight after teh blow.

I pretty much count this is full contact. But because I guess most of us to hold back on our attacks I suppose its also not full contact. (most attacks I dont hold back on .. its just attacks to the head which I do .. or solar plexis).

Szczepankiewicz · 11-21-2002, 07:52 PM

Jesse, would you hold back in a self defense situation?

There are times to go 1/2 speed and 3/4 speed and full on.

Szczepankiewicz · 11-21-2002, 07:53 PM

Greekmai,

You still haven't given me what I asked for. You seem to know the differences, all I am asking for is for you to share....

jesse7 · 11-21-2002, 07:54 PM

No ... I dont.

greekmai · 11-21-2002, 08:14 PM

From my understanding,Dr Morris has combined bujinkan techniques and other arts he has studied with an esoteric yoga and chi kung bend!

Dr Morris's website: http://www.hoshinjutsu.org

Szczepankiewicz -sounds like you are fond of Dr Morris from your guestbook entry on his website:

**Very interesting stuff. I have read two of Doc's books and a compatriot of mine has had the opportunity to attend a seminar. The next time the Hoshin have a gathering out West I'd like to know about it. Definitely a different perspective....
undertow@kumiuchi.com -Szczepankiewicz-

chris davis 200 · 11-22-2002, 07:14 AM

I know this is a serious descussion, but ......... the animation..............what where we talking about again - my mind has gone blank - - ahh yes i remember!!

I have trained in Bujinkan somewhat and have not found too much escoteric stuff so i dont think that this is high priority in the association. The techniques seemed a bit lame - although this may have been the teacher.

cheers!
Chris

Szczepankiewicz · 11-22-2002, 09:04 AM

Yes, you are observant and studious. And I have three of Dr. Morris' books. What I asked you is how Bujinkan and Hoshinjitsu are different. If you don't know or don't want to answer, that's fine, but quit tormenting me with voluptuous gif files......

Spanky

greekmai · 11-22-2002, 11:47 AM

Here is a thread on e-budo and yes its on the **BAD** ebudo section and Bad in this case does not mean cool it definitely stinks.

http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/show...ht=hoshinjutsu

I just think Glen Morris has taken Dr. Hatsumi's techniques and has made him his own and conveniently has called it **Hoshinjutsu**!
Maybe he needs to come up with his own ideas and katas before he calls himself **soke** and creates a new art!

What a joke! You do not refer to yourself as **Soke** !

greekmai · 11-22-2002, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by chris davis 200

I have trained in Bujinkan somewhat and have not found too much escoteric stuff so i dont think that this is high priority in the association. The techniques seemed a bit lame - although this may have been the teacher.

cheers!
Chris [/b]

My exact thoughts! The esoteric stuff is not a priority, training is!
and you probably did have a lame teacher if you thought the techniques were not effective.

Szczepankiewicz · 11-22-2002, 12:09 PM

New meditation technique posted HERE

God Bless America....

Spanky

Szczepankiewicz · 11-22-2002, 12:11 PM

So tell me about your experience with Bujinkan.

11-21-2002, 02:08 PM	#33 (permalink)
greekmai Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 68	Domo Arigato __________________ Kikeba yoi! Whatever works Greekmai Last edited by greekmai; 11-21-2002 at 02:10 PM.

11-21-2002, 08:14 PM	#39 (permalink)
greekmai Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 68	From my understanding,Dr Morris has combined bujinkan techniques and other arts he has studied with an esoteric yoga and chi kung bend! Dr Morris's website: http://www.hoshinjutsu.org Szczepankiewicz -sounds like you are fond of Dr Morris from your guestbook entry on his website: Very interesting stuff. I have read two of Doc's books and a compatriot of mine has had the opportunity to attend a seminar. The next time the Hoshin have a gathering out West I'd like to know about it. Definitely a different perspective.... undertow@kumiuchi.com -Szczepankiewicz- __________________ Kikeba yoi! Whatever works** Greekmai Last edited by greekmai; 11-21-2002 at 08:30 PM.

11-22-2002, 11:47 AM	#42 (permalink)
greekmai Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 68	Dr Morris and Hoshinjutsu Here is a thread on e-budo and yes its on the BAD ebudo section and Bad in this case does not mean cool it definitely stinks. http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/show...ht=hoshinjutsu I just think Glen Morris has taken Dr. Hatsumi's techniques and has made him his own and conveniently has called it Hoshinjutsu! Maybe he needs to come up with his own ideas and katas before he calls himself soke and creates a new art! What a joke! You do not refer to yourself as Soke ! __________________ Kikeba yoi! Whatever works Greekmai

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11-21-2002, 01:58 PM	#32 (permalink)
jesse7 Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Hamilton New Zealand Posts: 141	Oh ok my mistake . .. that animated gif is cool

11-21-2002, 03:21 PM	#34 (permalink)
David Hume Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 14	Tell me more about your concern that Kenpo isn't full contact. What exactly is the definition of full contact and what is the "pitty patty" or whatever you mentioned. THe upper level belts put on head, foot, and hand gear when sparring and they seem to be popping one another pretty rough. By full contact do you mean sparring without any protective gear? Also, they do use grappling, but I think it's more of a focus later in the training. This group is oriented towards a self-defense system that works, not aiming to preserve kenpo as an "Art". The instructor earned his purple through 3rd black from Ed Parker himself.

11-21-2002, 03:48 PM	#35 (permalink)
jesse7 Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Hamilton New Zealand Posts: 141	When sparing, in class I ware leg and arm pads. They are thin pads that protect the soft area on the top of your hand and foot. Also along the top of your forarm and shin. They do very little and full knuckle contact still happends. When we spar the only rules we have are .. not kicks to the nads .. and of course no eye gouges/dirty stuff. We go almost all out. Personally I pull back on alot of my moves because I dont want to hurt some people (eg on kicks to the head) .. they know when I could have hurt them and they dont chuck a sneaky hit in. Some students do hit as hard as they can .. its personal choice. We dont stop when someone get hit .. unless is something serious where they cant fight after teh blow. I pretty much count this is full contact. But because I guess most of us to hold back on our attacks I suppose its also not full contact. (most attacks I dont hold back on .. its just attacks to the head which I do .. or solar plexis).

11-21-2002, 07:52 PM	#36 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109	Jesse, would you hold back in a self defense situation? There are times to go 1/2 speed and 3/4 speed and full on.

11-21-2002, 07:53 PM	#37 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109	Greekmai, You still haven't given me what I asked for. You seem to know the differences, all I am asking for is for you to share....

11-21-2002, 07:54 PM	#38 (permalink)
jesse7 Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Hamilton New Zealand Posts: 141	No ... I dont.

11-22-2002, 07:14 AM	#40 (permalink)
chris davis 200 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Posts: 724	I know this is a serious descussion, but ......... the animation..............what where we talking about again - my mind has gone blank - - ahh yes i remember!! I have trained in Bujinkan somewhat and have not found too much escoteric stuff so i dont think that this is high priority in the association. The techniques seemed a bit lame - although this may have been the teacher. cheers! Chris

11-22-2002, 09:04 AM	#41 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109	Yes, you are observant and studious. And I have three of Dr. Morris' books. What I asked you is how Bujinkan and Hoshinjitsu are different. If you don't know or don't want to answer, that's fine, but quit tormenting me with voluptuous gif files...... Spanky

11-22-2002, 12:09 PM	#44 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109	New meditation technique posted HERE God Bless America.... Spanky

11-22-2002, 12:11 PM	#45 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109	So tell me about your experience with Bujinkan.

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