the best takedown - Page 3

ryanhall · 12-03-2002, 07:29 AM

left is attacker. the guy on the right defends the takedown by sprawling

ryan

Szczepankiewicz · 12-03-2002, 09:54 AM

I'm not certain I could defend from this attack. If a guy was to come in this way, the 'classic football tackle', He ducks his head down and lowers his arms for the tackle. This leaves openings for eye gouges, ear pops, throat strikes, scratching his eyes out!

This all becomes a question of timing and skill and how good of a wrassler the agressor is.

Spanky

crazyjoe380 · 12-03-2002, 01:06 PM

you guys need extra homework!

jesse7 · 12-03-2002, 02:36 PM

Personally ive only come across being tackled on the street .. its happend a few times .. we dont train this where I train. By reflex I dropped to my back as he was coming in .. but the attacker was going to reach me before I landed .. so midfall I just brought my knee into his face. Other time I missed face but planted in the chest .. sending dude over me not being able to breath well. Other things I could have done in that possition if I think about it .. was shin to the nuts styles.

If I wasnt quick enough in dropping and he got a hold of me .. I think I would be elbowing the attacker to the back of the neck or side of the neck while we were falling .. although Im bound to be pretty hurt as we hit the ground .. but hopefully so is he .. or if Im lucky he will be out .. if I hit him in the right spot.

DRLashambe · 12-03-2002, 02:47 PM

You know, in pankration fights we see this kind of take-down all of the time, and even trained guys make one very common mistake: they keep their heads down while they "dive" in. I've never had much of a problem getting an arm around their necks in a sort of reverse headlock. The next important thing to do is move your legs way back behind you, and drop your hips at the same time. This removes your legs as a target for your opponents hands, and dropping your hips puts a lot of weight and leverage down on your opponent. This means that you're still standing, have control of your opponent's head, and can still use one arm or line up to spike your opponent's head/face with fast knees. If all else fails, you're still in a good position to move into a guillotine choke.

Darryl

crazyjoe380 · 12-03-2002, 04:38 PM

EVERYTIME I SHOOT FOR SOMEONE IT WORKS..

LOL.. SERIOUSLY..

Szczepankiewicz · 12-03-2002, 04:39 PM

That is because you are the All Powerful Don of L.A. Were it a mere mortal, the case may not remain such....

jesse7 · 12-03-2002, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by crazyjoe380
EVERYTIME I SHOOT FOR SOMEONE IT WORKS..

LOL.. SERIOUSLY..

Maybe you should stop beating up kids Crazyjoe :P

crazyjoe380 · 12-03-2002, 04:49 PM

MAYBE I'LL BEAT YOUR KIDS..LOL

platinum_angel · 12-03-2002, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by crazyjoe380
EVERYTIME I SHOOT FOR SOMEONE IT WORKS..

LOL.. SERIOUSLY..

now do any of you seriously think you can counter this takedown. 1 out of 7 said that you couldn't. for the other 6 i think your full of it.

. mabye some people can but not 6 out of 7

crazyjoe380 · 12-03-2002, 05:24 PM

i can take you down.. lol.. that's all that matter plat.. lol

jesse7 · 12-03-2002, 05:27 PM

The 6 out of 7 who said they can counter this take down, no one said it works every time .. as with any counter or whatever .. it will never work every time. Its all about timing and being ready for anything.

CrazyJoe.

Ill beat YOUR kids. But ill do them a favour and do it while they are still in your sack

.

crazyjoe380 · 12-03-2002, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jesse7
The 6 out of 7 who said they can counter this take down, no one said it works every time .. as with any counter or whatever .. it will never work every time. Its all about timing and being ready for anything.

CrazyJoe.

Ill beat YOUR kids. But ill do them a favour and do it while they are still in your sack .

lol

jesse7 · 12-03-2002, 05:41 PM

I made a funny.

ryanhall · 12-03-2002, 07:31 PM

Quote:

now do any of you seriously think you can counter this takedown. 1 out of 7 said that you couldn't. for the other 6 i think your full of it. . mabye some people can but not 6 out of 7

as someone who wrestles from time to time, i can tell you beyond any shadow of doubt that this is not a very difficult takedown to counter (assuming you see it in time and your attacker is not capable of picking you off the ground when you are trying your best to stop him--note: VERY few people are that strong. it is very difficult to use brute strength to lift an unwilling person). the double leg takedown requires that you sprawl your legs back and drop your weight. this ends up with you on top of your face down attacker. here comes my problem with greco roman wrestling: this hugely advantageous position doesn't do sh!t for you in a wrestling (pins only) match. i can't tell you how many times i've choked someone out in practice just out of reflex (wrestlers always go stomach down and give you their neck.

all in all, this tackle is not as hard to counter as you may think. just make sure you don't fu#k it up, or you may be in for some hurt.

ryan

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12-03-2002, 01:06 PM	#33 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	you guys need extra homework! __________________

12-03-2002, 04:38 PM	#36 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	EVERYTIME I SHOOT FOR SOMEONE IT WORKS.. LOL.. SERIOUSLY.. __________________

12-03-2002, 04:49 PM	#39 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	MAYBE I'LL BEAT YOUR KIDS..LOL __________________

12-03-2002, 05:24 PM	#41 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	i can take you down.. lol.. that's all that matter plat.. lol __________________

12-03-2002, 07:29 AM	#31 (permalink)
ryanhall Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1,247 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	left is attacker. the guy on the right defends the takedown by sprawling ryan

12-03-2002, 09:54 AM	#32 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm not certain I could defend from this attack. If a guy was to come in this way, the 'classic football tackle', He ducks his head down and lowers his arms for the tackle. This leaves openings for eye gouges, ear pops, throat strikes, scratching his eyes out! This all becomes a question of timing and skill and how good of a wrassler the agressor is. Spanky

12-03-2002, 02:36 PM	#34 (permalink)
jesse7 Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Hamilton New Zealand Posts: 141 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Personally ive only come across being tackled on the street .. its happend a few times .. we dont train this where I train. By reflex I dropped to my back as he was coming in .. but the attacker was going to reach me before I landed .. so midfall I just brought my knee into his face. Other time I missed face but planted in the chest .. sending dude over me not being able to breath well. Other things I could have done in that possition if I think about it .. was shin to the nuts styles. If I wasnt quick enough in dropping and he got a hold of me .. I think I would be elbowing the attacker to the back of the neck or side of the neck while we were falling .. although Im bound to be pretty hurt as we hit the ground .. but hopefully so is he .. or if Im lucky he will be out .. if I hit him in the right spot.

12-03-2002, 02:47 PM	#35 (permalink)
DRLashambe Novice Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 99 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	You know, in pankration fights we see this kind of take-down all of the time, and even trained guys make one very common mistake: they keep their heads down while they "dive" in. I've never had much of a problem getting an arm around their necks in a sort of reverse headlock. The next important thing to do is move your legs way back behind you, and drop your hips at the same time. This removes your legs as a target for your opponents hands, and dropping your hips puts a lot of weight and leverage down on your opponent. This means that you're still standing, have control of your opponent's head, and can still use one arm or line up to spike your opponent's head/face with fast knees. If all else fails, you're still in a good position to move into a guillotine choke. Darryl

12-03-2002, 04:39 PM	#37 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	That is because you are the All Powerful Don of L.A. Were it a mere mortal, the case may not remain such....

12-03-2002, 05:27 PM	#42 (permalink)
jesse7 Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Hamilton New Zealand Posts: 141 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	The 6 out of 7 who said they can counter this take down, no one said it works every time .. as with any counter or whatever .. it will never work every time. Its all about timing and being ready for anything. CrazyJoe. Ill beat YOUR kids. But ill do them a favour and do it while they are still in your sack .

12-03-2002, 05:41 PM	#44 (permalink)
jesse7 Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Hamilton New Zealand Posts: 141 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I made a funny.

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