Jiu Jitsu better then Muay Thai? or uncomparable?

BlackSnow · 11-30-2002, 03:39 PM

Hi,

I have read some things about jiu jitsu , and it seems to be awsome, however i do not have a clear view about this sport but it seems to be more effective then Muay Thai.. is this true? I am 21 and maybe i want to start practicing jiu jitsu..am i too old? I am practicing Muay Thai for 8 months now...

Looking forward to your answer(s)

Thanks a lot!

Bye

~BlackSnow~

BlackSnow · 11-30-2002, 03:41 PM

omg how sad to see my grammar

Bye

~BlackSnow~

ryanhall · 11-30-2002, 05:25 PM

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I have read some things about jiu jitsu , and it seems to be awsome, however i do not have a clear view about this sport but it seems to be more effective then Muay Thai.. is this true?

there are lots of people that will tell you that bjj is the be all and end all of martial arts. frankly, it's not. it's good, but i hesitate to call it the best (well, maybe in the ring it's #1). no, you're not too old--depending on what you want to do. self defense? fun? competition?

if you want to compete, then jiu jitsu would be very valuable. however, comparing it to muay thai is like comparing apples to oranges. one is striking, and one is grappling. they have nothing in common, and that makes them a good combination for tournament competition--you get no conflicting messages. from a self defense perspective, it could be valuable to know a little bjj, but not vital. there are plenty of other grappling styles out there. i'd just say that bjj is superior in the octagon. just my opinion.

ryan

Biker · 11-30-2002, 09:12 PM

Exactly what Ryan said. JJ may be king of the ring, but on the street with Muay Thai you will decimate more people.

Look at it like this. In the ring you get your opponent (note that this is singular because you are only fighting one guy in the ring) into a choke or other submission hold, bam you're done. On the street you get one guy into a choke or other submission hold, one of his buddies just comes up and kicks you in the head. Lights out, goodnight, Gracie. With a style such as Muay Thai you bust a guy in the jaw with a good stiff elbow, dropping him like 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound bag, and at the bare minimum you have just increased your odds of survival and can concentrate on another guy who just may hesitate a fraction of a second more, having just seen his buddy go down, which may be enough to provide you with the edge you need.

For all the nay-sayers, keep reading, please.

No it is never that simple. But that is just a comparison. Ordinarily you start fighting one guy. When he starts to lose his buddies jump in and it's over. So you try to end the first guy quickly before his buddies know what is happening.

Sport or self defense? Sport, go with JJ. Self defense, go with Muay Thai. If time and money allow, do both.

Core Nobody · 12-01-2002, 12:46 AM

Both styles are awesome especially when combined.I'd start with BJJ,if you don't have any wrestling background that is,as it's harder to learn.[For me it is]As far as age goes,you didn't put it in your profile,I'm 38 and Bjj hurt less than anything else.

BlackSnow · 12-01-2002, 11:33 AM

Hi,

Just want to say Thank You

. These answers will help me

Bye,

~BlackSnow~

Mr. Miyagi · 12-01-2002, 03:54 PM

Do whichever you like better. You're not going to get attacked on the street just like you won't get struck by lightning, you won't win the lottery, and so on.
I've never even seen grown adults fighting on the street. I've been in some god awful places too. And if a situation is turning ugly you can always swallow your pride and walk away. Most antagonists will not want to really fight anyway. I have no idea why there are so many streetfight stories on this site. Most of you guys are lying through your teeth, some of you guys are too immature to back down, and very few of you actually had no choice. Most bars and clubs have big bouncers and bartenders that will come over if things get sketchy. Irish pubs don't but it's not as if some middle-aged fat Irish dude is suddenly going to slam down his Glenfiddich and start swining at you either.
No, you're not too old for either of those two things. You're too old to be a great tennis player or world class pianist though.

All that being said, muy thai is probably better on the street in the slim chance you get in a streetfight. BJJ is also very effective in a fighting situation, and all that sweaty, intense training will make you a much tougher guy as well.

ryanhall · 12-01-2002, 05:24 PM

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You're not going to get attacked on the street just like you won't get struck by lightning, you won't win the lottery, and so on. I've never even seen grown adults fighting on the street. I've been in some god awful places too. And if a situation is turning ugly you can always swallow your pride and walk away.

tell that to the 600 some odd murder victims of los angeles this year. could all of them just swallow their pride and walk away? also, your chances of being in a physical altercation are exponentially higher than being struck by lightning or winning the lottery. or do only 1 in 70 million of us actually have a real fight in our lives?

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Most antagonists will not want to really fight anyway.

sometimes true, but banking on that would be foolish. they don't want a fight, they want an easy mark or a pushover to make themselves look good in front of their friends. people won't fight you, they'll get you when you're not expecting it.

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No, you're not too old for either of those two things. You're too old to be a great tennis player or world class pianist though.

quite true. truth be told, i always wanted to be a pro baseball player.

peace,

ryan

BlackSnow · 12-01-2002, 06:39 PM

Hi,

The main reason I practice Muay Thai is to be able to defend myself (and other people, like friends, when necessary)...and I know it's a big differents between fighting on the street (not actually streetfighting but just defending yourself) and fighting in the ring with some protection. Besides this I want to be in a good shape, have a conditioned body, and all the things which you will benifits from practicing Muay Thai.

Nowdays many people do want to fight others in front of their friends in order to be social accepted by them. I am not violent at all and I will walk away in those kind "try me" situations, but sometimes you cannot walk away because of certain reasons and at that moment I want to be able to defend myself.

I thank you for the answers you gave me so far

Bye,

~BlackSnow~

crazyjoe380 · 12-01-2002, 06:44 PM

keep up with no holds barred..

jiu jitsu and muay thai go hand in hand.. they are the 2 top styles used in combat..

they are diffrent but put together.. is great..

ceasarx · 12-01-2002, 10:08 PM

I like BJJ but remember that Jiu Jitsu is not all BJJ . In most other forms of Jiu Jitsu they train in strikes as well as throws and grappleing. There strikes are not as refined as MT but they are used for distance fighting. And there throws will not only keep people from surrounding you but they hurt like hell when someone hits the pavement. I would look into Other forms of Jiu Jitsu before you decide.

crazyjoe380 · 12-06-2002, 11:15 AM

^^^

Tell that to the 4 gracies who lost to sakuraba..

lol..

muay thai is good to learn..

Grape_Ape · 12-06-2002, 02:33 PM

If you are getting into street fights frequently I don't really think it's just random chance. The one problem that some people have after getting some training is that they believe that they are invincible and go around provoking fights to serve their ego. There's nothing wrong with training for self defense just don't go looking for oppurtunities to try it out.
For informational purposes I don't train in either BJJ or Muay Thai I prefer Judo. That bias toward grappling arts would lead me to go with BJJ being a bit better especially if you get some training in striking techniques, but doing both could never hurt.

jesse7 · 12-08-2002, 02:45 PM

Mr. Miyagi

Your comments about street fights never happening or fights never happening, is ignorant. It seems to me you either live in some tiny hick town ... or you rarely go to town (clubbing/drinking or whatever).

My friends will dragg me out at least once a weekend. And you are right there is ALOT of times that you control whether there will be a fight or not .. just by ignoring, or sometimes even making yourself look like a pussy (hell I've done it

, Im not about to take on 6 guys).

I see situations that could easily turn into fights all the time, all it takes is for someone that wants a fight .. and someone that stands up for themselves.

Your comment on bouncers is pretty funny. I've seen fights in pubs (my brother) .. where the guy he hit was lieing on the ground and the bouncers had to ask what happend, ive also seen fights where the bouncers saw what happend but by then the fights over.

Ive been involved in about 8ish fights. Couple I would say I lost :P couple I would say .. we both lost, others I never got hit.

I try to avoid fights .. but I stand up for my self when I think I have a chance against the person giving me shit

crazyjoe380 · 12-09-2002, 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by Mr. Miyagi
You're not going to get attacked on the street just like you won't get struck by lightning, you won't win the lottery, and so on.
I've never even seen grown adults fighting on the street. I have no idea why there are so many streetfight stories on this site. Most of you guys are lying through your teeth, some of you guys are too immature to back down,ll.

*pulls dick out*

*slaps you in the face*

Where do you live again?

why do you take martial arts? for what reason? so you have something to talk about in your square town? you sound too cocky to me. angry cause danielson f.ucked your daughter... get over it.. you love attention dont you..

11-30-2002, 03:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
BlackSnow Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 37 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jiu Jitsu better then Muay Thai? or uncomparable? Hi, I have read some things about jiu jitsu , and it seems to be awsome, however i do not have a clear view about this sport but it seems to be more effective then Muay Thai.. is this true? I am 21 and maybe i want to start practicing jiu jitsu..am i too old? I am practicing Muay Thai for 8 months now... Looking forward to your answer(s) Thanks a lot! Bye ~BlackSnow~

12-01-2002, 12:46 AM	#5 (permalink)
Core Nobody Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Northcoast Underground Posts: 13 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Both styles are awesome especially when combined.I'd start with BJJ,if you don't have any wrestling background that is,as it's harder to learn.[For me it is]As far as age goes,you didn't put it in your profile,I'm 38 and Bjj hurt less than anything else. __________________ No matter how good she looks,somebody,somewhere is sick of her shit.......

12-01-2002, 11:33 AM	#6 (permalink)
BlackSnow Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 37 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you Hi, Just want to say Thank You . These answers will help me Bye, ~BlackSnow~

12-01-2002, 06:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	keep up with no holds barred.. jiu jitsu and muay thai go hand in hand.. they are the 2 top styles used in combat.. they are diffrent but put together.. is great.. __________________

12-01-2002, 10:08 PM	#11 (permalink)
ceasarx Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: oswego new york Posts: 116 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I like BJJ but remember that Jiu Jitsu is not all BJJ . In most other forms of Jiu Jitsu they train in strikes as well as throws and grappleing. There strikes are not as refined as MT but they are used for distance fighting. And there throws will not only keep people from surrounding you but they hurt like hell when someone hits the pavement. I would look into Other forms of Jiu Jitsu before you decide. __________________ We fight to defend ourselves our family and our country. If not then we have done something wrong

11-30-2002, 03:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
BlackSnow Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 37 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	omg how sad to see my grammar Bye ~BlackSnow~

11-30-2002, 09:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
Biker Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 224 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Exactly what Ryan said. JJ may be king of the ring, but on the street with Muay Thai you will decimate more people. Look at it like this. In the ring you get your opponent (note that this is singular because you are only fighting one guy in the ring) into a choke or other submission hold, bam you're done. On the street you get one guy into a choke or other submission hold, one of his buddies just comes up and kicks you in the head. Lights out, goodnight, Gracie. With a style such as Muay Thai you bust a guy in the jaw with a good stiff elbow, dropping him like 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound bag, and at the bare minimum you have just increased your odds of survival and can concentrate on another guy who just may hesitate a fraction of a second more, having just seen his buddy go down, which may be enough to provide you with the edge you need. For all the nay-sayers, keep reading, please. No it is never that simple. But that is just a comparison. Ordinarily you start fighting one guy. When he starts to lose his buddies jump in and it's over. So you try to end the first guy quickly before his buddies know what is happening. Sport or self defense? Sport, go with JJ. Self defense, go with Muay Thai. If time and money allow, do both.

12-01-2002, 03:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
Mr. Miyagi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 719 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Do whichever you like better. You're not going to get attacked on the street just like you won't get struck by lightning, you won't win the lottery, and so on. I've never even seen grown adults fighting on the street. I've been in some god awful places too. And if a situation is turning ugly you can always swallow your pride and walk away. Most antagonists will not want to really fight anyway. I have no idea why there are so many streetfight stories on this site. Most of you guys are lying through your teeth, some of you guys are too immature to back down, and very few of you actually had no choice. Most bars and clubs have big bouncers and bartenders that will come over if things get sketchy. Irish pubs don't but it's not as if some middle-aged fat Irish dude is suddenly going to slam down his Glenfiddich and start swining at you either. No, you're not too old for either of those two things. You're too old to be a great tennis player or world class pianist though. All that being said, muy thai is probably better on the street in the slim chance you get in a streetfight. BJJ is also very effective in a fighting situation, and all that sweaty, intense training will make you a much tougher guy as well.

12-01-2002, 06:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
BlackSnow Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 37 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi, The main reason I practice Muay Thai is to be able to defend myself (and other people, like friends, when necessary)...and I know it's a big differents between fighting on the street (not actually streetfighting but just defending yourself) and fighting in the ring with some protection. Besides this I want to be in a good shape, have a conditioned body, and all the things which you will benifits from practicing Muay Thai. Nowdays many people do want to fight others in front of their friends in order to be social accepted by them. I am not violent at all and I will walk away in those kind "try me" situations, but sometimes you cannot walk away because of certain reasons and at that moment I want to be able to defend myself. I thank you for the answers you gave me so far Bye, ~BlackSnow~

12-06-2002, 11:15 AM	#12 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	^^^ Tell that to the 4 gracies who lost to sakuraba.. lol.. muay thai is good to learn.. __________________

12-06-2002, 02:33 PM	#13 (permalink)
Grape_Ape Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 87 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	If you are getting into street fights frequently I don't really think it's just random chance. The one problem that some people have after getting some training is that they believe that they are invincible and go around provoking fights to serve their ego. There's nothing wrong with training for self defense just don't go looking for oppurtunities to try it out. For informational purposes I don't train in either BJJ or Muay Thai I prefer Judo. That bias toward grappling arts would lead me to go with BJJ being a bit better especially if you get some training in striking techniques, but doing both could never hurt.

12-08-2002, 02:45 PM	#14 (permalink)
jesse7 Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Hamilton New Zealand Posts: 141 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mr. Miyagi Your comments about street fights never happening or fights never happening, is ignorant. It seems to me you either live in some tiny hick town ... or you rarely go to town (clubbing/drinking or whatever). My friends will dragg me out at least once a weekend. And you are right there is ALOT of times that you control whether there will be a fight or not .. just by ignoring, or sometimes even making yourself look like a pussy (hell I've done it , Im not about to take on 6 guys). I see situations that could easily turn into fights all the time, all it takes is for someone that wants a fight .. and someone that stands up for themselves. Your comment on bouncers is pretty funny. I've seen fights in pubs (my brother) .. where the guy he hit was lieing on the ground and the bouncers had to ask what happend, ive also seen fights where the bouncers saw what happend but by then the fights over. Ive been involved in about 8ish fights. Couple I would say I lost :P couple I would say .. we both lost, others I never got hit. I try to avoid fights .. but I stand up for my self when I think I have a chance against the person giving me shit

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