Ninjitsu vs Hapkido

[blade_cs]

Originally posted by aseepish
There are several styles of Hapkido, I believe the most popular have their roots in Daito-ryu. Others are more based on
Hwarang.

Do we really care which style has more techniques? Needing 7000 techniques to be a master is rediculous. I think 3500 techniques is more than enough!

I am currently training for my first dan in Hapkido (Flying Eagle). I have a JKD/Wing Chun/BJJ background, but I do see some benefit to learning Hapkido.

The Ninjutsu that I've experienced had some good-in-principle locks and throws, but IMHO Hapkido does it better.

A lot of depends on your instructor. I've heard of some Korean instructors who teach like army drill instructors (and Hapkido is very much a military art). My instructor is a much more laid back kind of guy (who also happens to have a background in JKD, Muay Thai, and Wing Chun). If you go through the syllabus in a traditional manner, you will learn a lot of forms and basics that aren't much different from TKD and karate. Suffering through this is not my idea of fun. A more open minded instructor will start you off with more advanced things if you can handle it.

But in the end, it's whatever works for you, right?

Yeah, I agree about whichever art works for the person is the right art.

Flying Eagle Hapkido? Is that the one taught by Wade Langin in Calgary?

[H@pkid0ist]

7000 techniques. Reguardless of how many techniques we learn we are taugth that we should focus on the techniques that work best for us. A Hapkidoist uses roughly 20% of what he learsns, but the rest is there in case that 20% doesn't work for what ever reason. Now will you ever need 7000 diferent techniques? I doupt it,but they are there if you need them. As far as them slowing you down, well 7000 will slow you down no more than 3500. Its a matter of making your techniques a part of who you are so that when you defend yourself without thinking.

[chris davis 200]

as a side note: who needs 7000 techniques. that is totally unnecessary, and will slow down the decision making process in a high pressure situation.

I dont think that people quite get why there are so many techniques.

The reason is not to have a pre determined defence for every attack. Most of the many techniques hold identical principles and it is these reletavley small number of PRINCIPLES that are being taught.

Teaching them through the use of a huge number of techniques make the training physically and mentally more demanding. When you have grasped the principles involved in an art they can be applied to anything, these principls do not take a huge amount of time to learn (dependant on training).

Arts such as Chinese Hsing I have huge numbers of techniques, but all are based on just 5 movement principles. This principle approach produces extremely proficient fighters because they do not think ' he punches i do this, i block i do this' but they just move according to principles naturally, leverage on arms legs whatever come naturally to someone who has mastered principles, as does timing, striking etc.

All these things humans have anyway, natural reaction time is FAR quicker than learned reaction time.

Just to clear up the 'WHATS WITH ALL THE TECHNIQUES!!' argument.

cheers
Chris

[aseepish]

I don't think knowing 7000 techinques will slow you down more than having a 100,000 word vocabulary will slow down your conversations. If you train to react without thinking, then you will react without thinking. If you think, you'll be slow whether you know 7000 techiques or 5 techniques.

In the end I think it comes down to training method over technique. With the right training method, you can learn the concepts of a particular art without having to digest them through learning thousands of set or semi-set responses to particular attacks. Favoured training methods vary from instructor to instructor even within the same style.

I think if a school is using the name Flying Eagle, it's probably (!) from same side as ours. I know for sure there are branch schools in Vancouver and Toronto - Calgary is possible. If you like you can find out from my instructor, contact him through http://hapkidojeetkunedo.com

Oh yeah, I like Hapkido because it's fun. I like Wing Chun because it's fun. I like BJJ because it's fun. I like Kali because it's fun. All of these arts complement each other quite nicely.

[ryanhall]

I don't think knowing 7000 techinques will slow you down more than having a 100,000 word vocabulary will slow down your conversations. If you train to react without thinking, then you will react without thinking. If you think, you'll be slow whether you know 7000 techiques or 5 techniques.

ever notice how someone who is being questioned seriously or is worried often stutters and sticks to monosyllabic responses? you don't see too much eloquent prose in court during a cross examination. that only comes from the person in charge. it is better to master 30 (arbitrary low number) techniques than know 1,500,000 variations. the simple stuff is usually the best and most effective. kiss--keep it simple stupid. boxers have 5 or 6 punches, and that's all they use (and out of these, they develop 1 money punch). they usually kick the sh!t out of martial artists. there are tons of techniques in muay thai--pros use about 20. those who really fight find what works for them most of the time and stick with that. nobody cares how much of a master you are if you lose. as the saying goes: one technique mastered is better than 100 sampled.

ryan

[ceasarx]

I have never really practiced either art but I have looked into both. The two Dojo's I went to both had master instructors and both where immpressive. But if I had to choose I thin Hapkido is a better art . Please not this is an opinion based on limited experience but Hapkido seemed to be more versatile and useful

[Szczepankiewicz]

I changed my mind, Ninjitsu is far superior.

Szczepankiewicz the Fickle

[greekmai]

Originally posted by crazyjoe380
I'D SAY NINJERKSU.. CAUSE I KNOW THIS DUDE WHO PRACTICE IT.. HE SAYS IT'S NINJITSU BUT I KNOW IT'S JITKUNDOOOO..


I CAN SEE THAT.. I'D SAY .. BE A NINJERK..

HEY JERKY BOY, PLEASE TAKE YOUR GIF DOWN, IT HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF MY FAVORITE MOVIES AND I HATE TO SEE YOU ASSOCIATE WITH IT


WHAT AN ASS...LE

[Szczepankiewicz]

It's true, the Don is an asshole. But he's so cute and cuddly we all just love him to death.


Especially Holte2.

[greekmai]

Well at least someone does! I guess I'll have to be the judge if he is cute and cuddly!

[Szczepankiewicz]

Don Guiseppe


Tell me he's not adorable???

[aseepish]

It also depends why you are studying a particular art. If you are studying primarily for fighting (street or competition), then I would agree that it is better to focus on a small number of techniques. But then you have to be exposed to a large number to be able to select which ones appeal to your own body type and preferred style.

If you are studying an art in order to propogate it - i.e. you expect to teach one day yourself, then you owe it to your students and to the art to be conversant in the whole range of techniques.

Tony

[akja]

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"Getting back to my point, as I have stipulated over and over again: Full contact, full speed, grappling and striking and moving AND adrenal stress control should all be addressed in the art. Otherwise, how can you call it self defense.

I don't think Aikido or Hapkido address all of these factors in and of themselves. But neither does Muay Thai or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, does it? Any system worth it's salt is going to include and emphasize cross training in a complimentary style."
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A LOT OF US THINK THIS WAY!! And this way of thinking disputes the effectiveness of most arts as far as being "complete" and efficient.

In the same "breath", this is validation for the creation of "new systems", not proof of any new systems effectiveness, just reason enough for a need of "new systems".

One thing that wasn't addressed is the modern art of "Combat Hapkido". I haven't trained in it. But I would like to from someone who has. I know that there are no forms, the kicks are primarily below the waist and they've added grappling.

So now is a good time to promote my "new system"!!
LOL. My system is as old as all systems, I don't know anybody that could copyright an armlock or a low kick to the knee instead of a kick to the head. We are not the "original creators" or even close. We are just doing something that they stopped doing about 100 years ago, modifying and adapting to the environment.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NEW ACCEPT A WAY OF TRAINING TECHNIQUES IN ALL RANGES IN A FORMAT THAT IS EFFECTIVE AND WORKS FOR ME!!

I did train in the 70's in Hapkido and I picked it over Ninjitsu. And practicing high numbers of techniques is a way of practicing “a lot of technique” like the old saying goes, “to master a technique, practice it 1000 times”, you have to be exposed to a lot of technique find “your way”. You can’t use all techniques but you will emphasize your training with what your best at.

If you only practice “what is usefull” then your going to be in trouble when somebody takes you beyond what you know!! A lot of exposure to technique gives you something to fall back on and even an edge. EXAMPLE: I think most BJJ guys would discount Traditional Jujitsu. I practice both. What some people overlook as weak, others see as a way of combining technique to dish out the pain!

[H@pkid0ist]

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"Getting back to my point, as I have stipulated over and over again: Full contact, full speed, grappling and striking and moving AND adrenal stress control should all be addressed in the art. Otherwise, how can you call it self defense.

I don't think Aikido or Hapkido address all of these factors in and of themselves.
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Actually as diverse as Hapkido is, it really depends on the instructor. I know that my GM focuses on these things, and he is an original student of Choi, and Ji.


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One thing that wasn't addressed is the modern art of "Combat Hapkido". I haven't trained in it. But I would like to from someone who has. I know that there are no forms, the kicks are primarily below the waist and they've added grappling.
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We have no katas in our school and we focus on low kicks just as much as high kicks. As well we do quite a bit of grappling. Like I said it is all based on your teacher and school.


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I did train in the 70's in Hapkido and I picked it over Ninjitsu.
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From what I have read, seen, and heard fron Taijutsu practitioners, the 2 system are not to different. Of course we do not practice horseback riding, poisons and stuff like that. But we do go over Accupressure/accupuncture, healing, and massage therapy.

[Kingston]

Ninjistu vs Hapkido?

they both suck

THE TROLL HAS SPOKEN!!!

.....sorry i had to......