Ninjitsu vs Hapkido

[blade_cs]

Well, this might be similar to one of the previous threads, but anyways:

Okay.. Ninjitsu vs Hapkido...

Both claim that their system is a complete art, covering standup fighting and ground fighting with punching, kicking, elbows, and joint locks.

So how do these arts differ besides the history (like Ninjitsu's Japanese and Hapkido's Korean) and origin (Grandmasters... etc)?

And if a Ninjitsu and Hapkido guy were to fight.. which guy do you think will win? Well, I know this question's broad due to fighting environment person's health.. etc. But I mean in general, where both opponents were equal size.

[crazyjoe380]

both styles take forever to learn and are usless .. you'll be 40 by the time u can take a good fight and still probably lose..lol

[Scott Kano]

Yeah take too long to master, and ninjitsu with ninjas?
LOL I think ninjas have had there time

[chris davis 200]

I am 25 and can and HAVE used Daito Ryu Aiki JuJutsu MANY MANY times effectively in the STREET and when bouncing. This style has a huge amount of techniques - far greater than Ninjutsu and Hapkido and yet i can still use it effectively!

You guys really know VERY VERY little about the traditional arts!!

Entire TRADITIONAL JuJutsu sylabus' where learned by samurai in under a year to prepare them for battle - It depends on how much you train!!!!!!!!!!!

Not that i rate either of these arts, i do think that they can be learnt and used against your average street thug with competance if you train with the right mindset.

This IS my personal experience of traditional arts. Something like BJJ is pretty much useless on the street in comparison.

Cheers
Chris

ps. agree abouut the ninja thing!!!

[Szczepankiewicz]

Any art that concentrates on full contact, full speed training is never, EVER useless on the street. See also Boxing, Judo, BJJ, Kali, et al.


If your art does not practice hitting and being hit, throwing and being thrown and how to keep your head in a stressful situation you are NOT training self defense.


What makes BJJ a superior art in the minds of many? The techniques? The fancy gi's? Nope, it's the philosophy. The way the Gracies train, their work ethics, their standards, the whole method of combining leverage and efficiency of motion makes GJJ a powerful art to train in.


In an earlier thread I commented how I thought the self-defense techniques in the book Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: Theory and Practice was a J O K E. After some discussion, I went back and checked it out again.

I wasn't entirely wrong, but I am sure I spoke out of context. I was looking at the pictures without studying the accompanying text. I saw one of the Gracies standing with his head down and figured that was a BAD thing to do in self defense. Of course, he was exaggerating the motion to make a point in the sequence.


Getting back to my point, as I have stipulated over and over again: Full contact, full speed, grappling and striking and moving AND adrenal stress control should all be addressed in the art. Otherwise, how can you call it self defense.

I don't think Aikido or Hapkido address all of these factors in and of themselves. But neither does Muay Thai or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, does it? Any system worth it's salt is going to include and emphasize cross training in a complimentary style.

Except for Hozhinjitsu of course, that is the only COMPLETE art!

Szczepankiewicz the Vociferous

[H@pkid0ist]

I am 29 and a second Dan in Hapkido. We have about 7000 diferent techniques to learn before reaching the rank of master. If you train like I do , 6-11 hours a day 5-6 days a week, you can achieve master within 10 years. It is possible. In our system you get out of it what you put in. Now I know absolutly nothing about Ninjitsu so I can not comment or compare. But I have studied 8 systems in total in the past 23 years. No matter how in depth or dificult a system seemed to be, and we can be a little complex, a good MAist will prevail. No you cant just get by in our art. You have to be a good MAist period, but this is the same for many arts out there. As far as the comparison, I don't know. If everything were equall and the fighters were 100% even, then I would say the fighter who had the strongest will to servive, and if they both equalled there as well, then I would say the first shmuck to get a bit of bad luck.

[crazyjoe380]

kali and jeetkun`do is very over-rated...
i think knowing sticks is fine.. but that's if you're going to be in situations without a gun.

a modern fighter should have technique and good shooting skills.. and some knife fighting..

[H@pkid0ist]

Actually crazyjoe, the open handed techniques of Kali, Arnis, Escrima are great. They are very fast and aggressive. Not to much unlike the weapons forms.

[crazyjoe380]

true^^

i shouldn't talk shit.. unless i know the whole facts..

[Szczepankiewicz]

Given that we will never know all the facts, we should never speaketh the shite. However, what fun would that be?

[Szczepankiewicz]

Given my limited knowledge of Ninjitsu and of Hapkido, I would have to venture forth a guess of Hapkido. Given the choice, I would rather battle a practicioner of the former as opposed to battling the latter.

However, Hoshinjitsu would still reign supreme.


Szczepankiewicz the Unwise

[crazyjoe380]

I'D SAY NINJERKSU.. CAUSE I KNOW THIS DUDE WHO PRACTICE IT.. HE SAYS IT'S NINJITSU BUT I KNOW IT'S JITKUNDOOOO..


I CAN SEE THAT.. I'D SAY .. BE A NINJERK..

[aseepish]

There are several styles of Hapkido, I believe the most popular have their roots in Daito-ryu. Others are more based on
Hwarang.

Do we really care which style has more techniques? Needing 7000 techniques to be a master is rediculous. I think 3500 techniques is more than enough!

I am currently training for my first dan in Hapkido (Flying Eagle). I have a JKD/Wing Chun/BJJ background, but I do see some benefit to learning Hapkido.

The Ninjutsu that I've experienced had some good-in-principle locks and throws, but IMHO Hapkido does it better.

A lot of depends on your instructor. I've heard of some Korean instructors who teach like army drill instructors (and Hapkido is very much a military art). My instructor is a much more laid back kind of guy (who also happens to have a background in JKD, Muay Thai, and Wing Chun). If you go through the syllabus in a traditional manner, you will learn a lot of forms and basics that aren't much different from TKD and karate. Suffering through this is not my idea of fun. A more open minded instructor will start you off with more advanced things if you can handle it.

But in the end, it's whatever works for you, right?

[hapkidoist]

I'm a 2nd dan in the Korean Hapkido Federation. Oh Se Lim's federation. It all depends on the person. Our style is taught by a former R.O.K Force Recon Marine. He incoorperated Muay Thai kicks into the training. I have used Hapkido techniques a few times, and they do work. All arts have there limitations. BJJ has no stand up. Its cool to choke someone out on the ground, but what about his buddys that are kicking you in the head. Hapkido does take awhile to learn, but its well worth the wait. Not all Hapkido styles wait for the attack. My Kwangjanim told me to strike first if you think the guy will hit you. Don't wait around. He does'nt tell this to many students. I'm 6 feet and 210 solid pounds. I think that's why he said this.

[ryanhall]

My Kwangjanim told me to strike first if you think the guy will hit you. Don't wait around. He does'nt tell this to many students. I'm 6 feet and 210 solid pounds. I think that's why he said this.

it is equally if not more important for a smaller person than yourself to strike first in a confrontation. always. size matters not. striking first is one of the few "etched in stone" principles of combat.

as a side note: who needs 7000 techniques. that is totally unnecessary, and will slow down the decision making process in a high pressure situation. take a look at the old WW II manuals on hthc. i would much sooner tangle with a black belt in any style than someone with a couple years of combatives under their belt and the mentality to use it. technique memorization is for art only. it hinders you in reality.


ryan