What Happened to Karate?

12-09-2002, 12:14 PM

I'm sure that Karate was once a deadly art. Fingers in the eyes, chops to the throat, elbows, knees and kicks to the groin and legs. But what happened?

Most Karate you see is useless in a real fight, as evidenced by Crazy Joe's other thread showing the ridiculous stances and techniques. Yet the proponents still want to tell themselves that they are leardning a "deadly" art.

What went wrong?

crazyjoe380 · 12-09-2002, 12:40 PM

in japan it's still a sick style..

in america..

"ALL ABOUT THE BENJERMINS"

MORE MONEY MORE POWER.. GIVE A BLACK BELT TO A KID AND HIS PARENTS WILL GIVE U THE WORLD

Szczepankiewicz · 12-09-2002, 01:17 PM

I wear my McDojo Black Belt to the bars. Chicks swarm like flies....

crazyjoe380 · 12-09-2002, 01:20 PM

Szczepankiewicz · 12-09-2002, 01:22 PM

I'm serious man, you should try it. They go nuts!!!! All the other fellas get pissy and try to front. Then I gotta pull out with come slick ass hiyas and slap em down!

Get a little blood on my gi from time to time....

Szczepankiewicz the Whirling-fists-of-Death

crazyjoe380 · 12-09-2002, 01:36 PM

*PETS CAT*

i'd rather see a women wear nothing but a black belt..

Szczepankiewicz · 12-09-2002, 03:34 PM

Your wish is my command, Don Guiseppe.

crazyjoe380 · 12-09-2002, 03:37 PM

Yikes!!

fat bittttachhhhhhh!

BlackSnow · 12-09-2002, 03:39 PM

12-10-2002, 10:18 AM

I don't know. You try to start a serious discussion.......

BlackSnow · 12-10-2002, 10:33 AM

ok serieus...

I think in the western countries karate is a little bit changed to the hand of the culture. If you practice karata in Japan it will be as deadly as it was. Maybe you are confusing the competition (sport) and the art itselfs.

Karate is usefull I think in real fight but only if you are skilled enough. In real fights it's no thinking, just do it.

~BlackSnow~

crazyjoe380 · 12-10-2002, 10:35 AM

karate in my opinion isn't living up to it's worth.
i would love to go to japan and learn karate.. but not over here..

they don't teach right and too many kids make it filtered..

BlackSnow · 12-10-2002, 10:36 AM

Exactly

Szczepankiewicz · 12-10-2002, 10:45 AM

You're right Bri. My fault, entirely.

Seriously,

In my limited and unimportant opinion, karate, as well as most martial arts, has been watered down for people of all ages to 'enjoy'. The MA's have also taken hard turns into sport.

Most people don't want hard training and discipline in something that takes a toll on the body. They want the mental massaging of having a black belt. They are of the feeling that they've accomplished something really important by getting a black belt.

Western Culture and Eastern Culture are totally different. When you start using terms like master and grandmaster and 10th degree black belt you get a lot of false etiquette and supposed respect.

The MA's have become hypercommercialized and any knucklehead can open a school. All this bowing and 'strict discipline' is totally appropriate in Eastern Cultures who have lived like this for centuries. However, trying to indoctrinate westerners into this mentality becomes a sick obsession with absurd behavior.

I watched some of the board breaking competitions on ESPN late night earlier this fall. Full grown men, many in mullets, standing rigid on a stage in front a line of judges dressed in fancy jammies SCREAMING at the top of their lungs: "JUDGES, I WILL NOW BREAK THIS BOARD AND THOSE BOARDS, FOLLOWED BY MANY OTHER FANTASTIC TECHNIQUES JUDGES!!!!'

I literally fell out of my chair laughing at these clowns.

Then you have all the intense kata competitions. The folks stomp around on stage swinging weapons stamped with made in Taiwan logos shouting at predetermined points in their choreographed routines. Yeah, it's sometimes fun to watch, but what the hell use is it to anyone?

I see many advertisements for: Increased self-control, increased self-confidence, better balance, goal setting, blah blah blah blah blah..... It's like I'm stuck in Infomercial Hell!!!!!

All this I can stomach, but only if they leave the term self-defense out. If they add this it makes me want to go to the school and actually see if these guys can back it up, in front of their students.

And then, if you do put up with all their false bs and ask them to crosstrain all they are interested in is your flippin' pedigree. I am a 3rd degree pink belt from the United Institute for Karotty under Master Luis Chama who studied under GRAND Supreme Oriental Grand Master Bul Shit-Tsu.....

I think what I'm gonna do is drop twenty pounds, go through the phone book and seek out every self defense school. If they kick my ass or at least put up a good fight, then I will have respect. If they are little bitches, then they need to retire.....

Just think, the Szczepankiewicz Challenge...

I know, this is the inappropriate attitude for a martial artist to have, but somebody needs to be the asshole.....and I'm soooo good at it.

Rant over.

Szczepankiewicz the Hot Blooded

crazyjoe380 · 12-10-2002, 11:01 AM

i would love to see an "O.G." karate school that teach chops and all that..

real karate seems interesting..

12-09-2002, 12:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
Bri Thai Guest Posts: n/a	What Happened to Karate? I'm sure that Karate was once a deadly art. Fingers in the eyes, chops to the throat, elbows, knees and kicks to the groin and legs. But what happened? Most Karate you see is useless in a real fight, as evidenced by Crazy Joe's other thread showing the ridiculous stances and techniques. Yet the proponents still want to tell themselves that they are leardning a "deadly" art. What went wrong?

12-09-2002, 12:40 PM	#2 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368	in japan it's still a sick style.. in america.. "ALL ABOUT THE BENJERMINS" MORE MONEY MORE POWER.. GIVE A BLACK BELT TO A KID AND HIS PARENTS WILL GIVE U THE WORLD __________________

12-09-2002, 01:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368	LOL __________________

12-09-2002, 01:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368	PETS CAT i'd rather see a women wear nothing but a black belt.. __________________

12-09-2002, 03:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109	Your wish is my command, Don Guiseppe. Attached Images

12-09-2002, 01:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109	I wear my McDojo Black Belt to the bars. Chicks swarm like flies....

12-09-2002, 01:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109	I'm serious man, you should try it. They go nuts!!!! All the other fellas get pissy and try to front. Then I gotta pull out with come slick ass hiyas and slap em down! Get a little blood on my gi from time to time.... Szczepankiewicz the Whirling-fists-of-Death

12-09-2002, 03:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368	Yikes!!fat bittttachhhhhhh! __________________

12-09-2002, 03:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
BlackSnow Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 37	LOL

12-10-2002, 10:18 AM	#10 (permalink)
Bri Thai Guest Posts: n/a	I don't know. You try to start a serious discussion.......

12-10-2002, 10:33 AM	#11 (permalink)
BlackSnow Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 37	ok serieus... I think in the western countries karate is a little bit changed to the hand of the culture. If you practice karata in Japan it will be as deadly as it was. Maybe you are confusing the competition (sport) and the art itselfs. Karate is usefull I think in real fight but only if you are skilled enough. In real fights it's no thinking, just do it. ~BlackSnow~

12-10-2002, 10:35 AM	#12 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368	karate in my opinion isn't living up to it's worth. i would love to go to japan and learn karate.. but not over here.. they don't teach right and too many kids make it filtered.. __________________

12-10-2002, 10:36 AM	#13 (permalink)
BlackSnow Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 37	Exactly

12-10-2002, 10:45 AM	#14 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109	You're right Bri. My fault, entirely. Seriously, In my limited and unimportant opinion, karate, as well as most martial arts, has been watered down for people of all ages to 'enjoy'. The MA's have also taken hard turns into sport. Most people don't want hard training and discipline in something that takes a toll on the body. They want the mental massaging of having a black belt. They are of the feeling that they've accomplished something really important by getting a black belt. Western Culture and Eastern Culture are totally different. When you start using terms like master and grandmaster and 10th degree black belt you get a lot of false etiquette and supposed respect. The MA's have become hypercommercialized and any knucklehead can open a school. All this bowing and 'strict discipline' is totally appropriate in Eastern Cultures who have lived like this for centuries. However, trying to indoctrinate westerners into this mentality becomes a sick obsession with absurd behavior. I watched some of the board breaking competitions on ESPN late night earlier this fall. Full grown men, many in mullets, standing rigid on a stage in front a line of judges dressed in fancy jammies SCREAMING at the top of their lungs: "JUDGES, I WILL NOW BREAK THIS BOARD AND THOSE BOARDS, FOLLOWED BY MANY OTHER FANTASTIC TECHNIQUES JUDGES!!!!' I literally fell out of my chair laughing at these clowns. Then you have all the intense kata competitions. The folks stomp around on stage swinging weapons stamped with made in Taiwan logos shouting at predetermined points in their choreographed routines. Yeah, it's sometimes fun to watch, but what the hell use is it to anyone? I see many advertisements for: Increased self-control, increased self-confidence, better balance, goal setting, blah blah blah blah blah..... It's like I'm stuck in Infomercial Hell!!!!! All this I can stomach, but only if they leave the term self-defense out. If they add this it makes me want to go to the school and actually see if these guys can back it up, in front of their students. And then, if you do put up with all their false bs and ask them to crosstrain all they are interested in is your flippin' pedigree. I am a 3rd degree pink belt from the United Institute for Karotty under Master Luis Chama who studied under GRAND Supreme Oriental Grand Master Bul Shit-Tsu..... I think what I'm gonna do is drop twenty pounds, go through the phone book and seek out every self defense school. If they kick my ass or at least put up a good fight, then I will have respect. If they are little bitches, then they need to retire..... Just think, the Szczepankiewicz Challenge... I know, this is the inappropriate attitude for a martial artist to have, but somebody needs to be the asshole.....and I'm soooo good at it. Rant over. Szczepankiewicz the Hot Blooded

12-10-2002, 11:01 AM	#15 (permalink)
crazyjoe380 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,368	i would love to see an "O.G." karate school that teach chops and all that.. real karate seems interesting.. __________________

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