Trouble with wrestlers

[GRACIEAUSTIN]

I think you have to be the best possible in all situations, standing & on the ground. I think their are more positions to hit some one on the ground. But you have to be a better fighter every where possible. Besides how can you beat some one if you don't know what they are going to do?

[Mr. Miyagi]

Thanks for replying Phil, sorry I haven't had time to come here in a while. I will forget about sweeping these guys for the time being. I'm not as advanced as you and I believe the question also came from someone not as advanced as you. I'm a no stripe blue and I can sometimes get the wrestlers in class at my level to tap from the guard when we train with the gi, but without the gi I can't do anything against them. I do my best to train hard, I don't have what some other people have in terms of natural athleticism.

[DeSoLaToR]

just try and get them on the ground and grapple with them, try to get them in a figure 4 lock or something, AND ALWAYS TRY TO USE UR FEET, get ur legs around there chest and lock them in and squezze, and possibley try and get a hand lock on.. somehting like that

[GRACIEAUSTIN]

Just remember you have 2 types of wrestlers, 1. knows about submissions, (they keep their elbows in the keep their chin tucked ect. ) & 2. those who don't but might just have good natural instincts. This guy probably watched a couple U.F.C.'s & has good sense on the mat. They are going to put you on your back & try to smash you. They will grab you neck (giving you a chance for a reverse arm bar or regular arm bar). If they try to press their arm on the front of your neck try to push their elbow off & go to the back. With both of them you have to learn wrist control or bicep control. Most experience wrestlers are harder to arm bar & try to stand in the guard. They are good to ankle lock from the guard or 1/2 guard.

[MrPoopy]

Phil, your reverse armbar must be as useful to you as a normal armbar is to me. You're gonna have to make a video or take some pics to show us all how to do it.

I've got some tapes that show 2 ways to do it but I suspect your way may be a little bit different.

[GRACIEAUSTIN]

I might be doing some techniques stuff soon. I will keep you informed. It is pretty much a sure thing.

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by sub wrestler

Wrestling is one of the greatest martial arts of all time.

digging through the archives, I just had to applaude these wise words!

[butcanuwrestle?]

MrPoopy,

The wrestler won't let you get off because he is constantly out-controlling you with a more dominant position from the get-go. That's our bread & better and that's what we do. Although you may know many more effective submission holds, it becomes more difficult for you to execute these finishing moves against a crosstrained wrestler, because you are losing the "control" battle from the get-go. Controling your opponenent is where it's at. I'll say it again; 1.Control, 2.Position, 3.Execution. It’s like this; you’ll only get the most out of your execution if you first establish a strong position. Furthermore, you’ll only get the most out of your position when you have soundly controlled your opponent.Believe me, the only way you can be more competitive against wrestlers on the ground, is by taking your submission game to another level. You are not going to do it by learning more submissions, it's by learning how to wrestle. Submission are useless if you can't get into position to execute them, and as long as you are losing the control battle, it is going to become very difficult to gain position. Plain and Simple.

[Andrew WA]

A few years ago a neighborhood kid who was an orange belt in Taekwondo but quit and was in high school wrestling always wanted to randomly attack people and talk about how his wreslting is so ultimate. One time he attacked me and tried to put his chin into my soloplex to make it hurt but instead he stuck his neck into my spear hand I made for him. SUPRISE! and he started choking and making snorting noises. It was funny and then he gave up. Another time he attacked me on cement ground and was on top of me so I kicked my leg over his head and around his neck and pulled him to the ground and he told me "HEY! THATS ILLIEGAL!" and I luaghed.


I know he was an experienced advanced wrestler and neither was I an experienced advanced martial artist at the time but it was funny to me and this post reminded me.

[Aaron]

Hey Ryu, have you integrated using the Shredder into your grappling strategy? Does it help even the odds against a superior grappler, or will it only enrage him more? By this I mean does it change the outcome of the fight, or can a better grappler simply reposition himself to avoid being "shredded"?

Thanks

[MrPoopy]

What is the shredder? Is it some sort of weapon? Do you put on a mask and chase ninja turtles when you do the shredder?

[cakegirl]

I wondered that myself.

Cakegirl

[Bjjexpertise@be]

A few years ago a neighborhood kid who was an orange belt in Taekwondo but quit and was in high school wrestling always wanted to randomly attack people and talk about how his wreslting is so ultimate. One time he attacked me and tried to put his chin into my soloplex to make it hurt but instead he stuck his neck into my spear hand I made for him. SUPRISE! and he started choking and making snorting noises. It was funny and then he gave up. Another time he attacked me on cement ground and was on top of me so I kicked my leg over his head and around his neck and pulled him to the ground and he told me "HEY! THATS ILLIEGAL!" and I luaghed

He lost cuz he lacked any really fiinishing moves. If he knew a minimal amount of submission moves he would have won .

[Bling Bling]

Wrestlers have strong hips and great balance. They are very difficult to execute submissions on. I'm 6'00" 200lbs, I have good strength and conditioning, however when I roll with an experienced wrestler he knows how to use his weight and leverage very well to ware me down. I find wrestlers to be the toughest opponents to train and compete with but thats what makes it so much fun.

Happy Holidays!!!

[Seifer2399]

Originally Posted by MrPoopy

Anyone else have a lot of trouble with wrestlers?

I think the biggest secret about wrestlers is the insane cardio they're able to endure. I remember some of my friends who were on the HS wrestling team telling me they sweated buckets just doing intense cardio. This gives them the ability to not only keep on driving into you with great grappling technique, but to keep doing so at a 100% intensity level that just wears you out if you're not conditioned enough.

Best regards,

Seifer2399