Poor countries and arts.

AAAhmed46 · 12-12-2002, 04:02 PM

I have recently noticed that martial arts in more developed countries, become quite butchered.

But when you talk about, meet or see fighters from less fortunate countries, thier brutal as hell. Bando and TRUE shotokan the great jujitsu and Thai boxing are very big in india china, tailand,, and they openly teach moves that are specifically made to kill that are in public clubs. Yes we see this in america as well, but usually someone needs a permit and heavy insurance. Ninjitsu is illigal in canada(i live in canada) and when you can learn it, its absolute crap(all they teach is how to hide and use SOME weapons, no poisons) But it is taught openly in places such as that.

whats my question?

The winners of the ufc are usually american. How?(though thier is nothing wrong with that, its hard to see judging by the chances)

Forgive my spelling

ryanhall · 12-12-2002, 05:19 PM

True shotokan? Japan is a very safe place. You go to jail for sure if you fight with anyone. Deadly moves? There is nothing secret about this. What is so deadly about muay thai or bando that would be totally illegal in a non-"poor" country? Japan is very wealthy, yet you list it as poor. Just hit someone in the throat and watch them fall. You don't need super duper marital arts for that. Could this question be any more pointless?

BlackSnow · 12-12-2002, 06:03 PM

If you put it that way .. will they also win outside the ring?

ryanhall · 12-12-2002, 06:39 PM

Oh damn, I missed the best part:

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Ninjitsu is illigal in canada(i live in canada) and when you can learn it, its absolute crap(all they teach is how to hide and use SOME weapons, no poisons)

YOU MEAN THEY DON'T TEACH POISONS??!! THAT CAN'T BE TRUE. Every martial artist should have a knowledge of poisons just in case he needs to assassinate a local head of state. Only some weapons? You are telling me that they forgot to teach you the form where you pull your own finger and gas the person to death? What a travesty. All true ninja know that one. Well, i guess that could fall under the aforementioned "poisons" category. What a shame that all those Canadian ninjas are without some of their most feared and effective tools: explosive flatulence and crapping at will. What a pity...Just like this thread.

AAAhmed46 · 12-12-2002, 11:57 PM

No, but if it is taught so.... diluted. It will eventually get forgotten. Im just using it as an example

About the shotokan, its not only limited to japan. India has alot of shotokan schools. I did not mention japan. Fortunatley, it has not yet been butchered in japan. It isnt so complicated to open a dojo in such areas.

AAAhmed46 · 12-12-2002, 11:58 PM

In india, thier is very little protection in sparring matches, and grappling is allowed. Its brutal. So i would say yeah, it would be effective outside the ring.

ryanhall · 12-13-2002, 01:02 AM

Could you name an Indian art? Honestly, you don't give any evidence/support for any of your claims. I seriously doubt that a disease-ridden third world country like Indid would have a major martial arts focus. Most people would rather eat.

aseepish · 12-13-2002, 02:22 AM

Interesting theory, but I would have to disagree.

Where are Africa's deadly arts? Central and South America's?

Since when is ninjutsu illegal in Canada? There are Bujinkan schools everywhere! Yes, most of the weapons are illegal to carry, but you can still train taijutsu (the body art). I've learned "killing" techniques from Kali and Silat in Canada.

In Indonesia karate and TKD are much more popular than the native silat styles. This is also true in the Philippines. "Foreign" martial arts are seen as cool, while native styles are boring and old-fashioned.

Japan has it's share of commercialized schools - Pancrase and Shoot clubs are all the rage there.

As far as Indian martial arts are concerned there are many! To name one - kalarippayat.

http://winstonstableford.com/Indian.html
http://www.kalarippayat.com/

ryanhall · 12-13-2002, 07:31 AM

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As far as Indian martial arts are concerned there are many! To name one - kalarippayat.

Cool. I guess every culture has their own ways of fighting, but I'd never heard of anything coming from the subcomtinent. Thanks for the info, Aseepish

AAAhmed46 · 12-13-2002, 12:35 PM

No, ninjitsu itself is outlawed. Even the combat is taken out, the main parts atleast. Now its just "Sport" though thier are no competitions, its all about hiding now. But thats it. No combat.

I didnt mention africa and south america because their was no need, we all know about copoira(FORGIVE THE HORRID SPELLING)

ANd arabs dont seem to have a martial art besides how to fight with semitars(arab swords).

The guy who's going to teach me bando is indian. Infact, bando is very popular there.

THis thread HAS tought me some new things however. I thought thier were only two martial arts native TO india.

TIME FOR ME TO HIT THE BOOKS ON THIS THING.

midnight · 12-13-2002, 12:41 PM

threre is varios African MA if you have a look here you would find http://ejmas.com/jalt/jaltframe.htm some also at http://www.mma.tv/TUF/index.cfm?FID=13

I dont know yet explained how to post a link so you will have to cut and paste

12-12-2002, 04:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
AAAhmed46 Novice Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 52 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Poor countries and arts. I have recently noticed that martial arts in more developed countries, become quite butchered. But when you talk about, meet or see fighters from less fortunate countries, thier brutal as hell. Bando and TRUE shotokan the great jujitsu and Thai boxing are very big in india china, tailand,, and they openly teach moves that are specifically made to kill that are in public clubs. Yes we see this in america as well, but usually someone needs a permit and heavy insurance. Ninjitsu is illigal in canada(i live in canada) and when you can learn it, its absolute crap(all they teach is how to hide and use SOME weapons, no poisons) But it is taught openly in places such as that. whats my question? The winners of the ufc are usually american. How?(though thier is nothing wrong with that, its hard to see judging by the chances) Forgive my spelling

12-12-2002, 05:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
ryanhall Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1,247 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	True shotokan? Japan is a very safe place. You go to jail for sure if you fight with anyone. Deadly moves? There is nothing secret about this. What is so deadly about muay thai or bando that would be totally illegal in a non-"poor" country? Japan is very wealthy, yet you list it as poor. Just hit someone in the throat and watch them fall. You don't need super duper marital arts for that. Could this question be any more pointless? __________________ "Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!"

12-13-2002, 01:02 AM	#7 (permalink)
ryanhall Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1,247 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Could you name an Indian art? Honestly, you don't give any evidence/support for any of your claims. I seriously doubt that a disease-ridden third world country like Indid would have a major martial arts focus. Most people would rather eat. __________________ "Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!"

12-13-2002, 02:22 AM	#8 (permalink)
aseepish Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: British Columbia Posts: 1,638 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	developing country = deadly MA? Interesting theory, but I would have to disagree. Where are Africa's deadly arts? Central and South America's? Since when is ninjutsu illegal in Canada? There are Bujinkan schools everywhere! Yes, most of the weapons are illegal to carry, but you can still train taijutsu (the body art). I've learned "killing" techniques from Kali and Silat in Canada. In Indonesia karate and TKD are much more popular than the native silat styles. This is also true in the Philippines. "Foreign" martial arts are seen as cool, while native styles are boring and old-fashioned. Japan has it's share of commercialized schools - Pancrase and Shoot clubs are all the rage there. As far as Indian martial arts are concerned there are many! To name one - kalarippayat. http://winstonstableford.com/Indian.html http://www.kalarippayat.com/ __________________ "It was about that time I realized that searching was my symbol, the emblem of those who go out at night with nothing in mind, the motives of a destroyer of compasses." -Cortázar

12-13-2002, 12:41 PM	#11 (permalink)
midnight Novice Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: georgia USA Posts: 72 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	threre is varios African MA if you have a look here you would find http://ejmas.com/jalt/jaltframe.htm some also at http://www.mma.tv/TUF/index.cfm?FID=13 I dont know yet explained how to post a link so you will have to cut and paste __________________ "As soon as you concern yourself with the "good" and "bad" of your fellows, you create an opening in your heart for maliciousness to enter. Testing, competing with, and criticizing others weaken and defeat you." - Morihei Ueshiba

12-12-2002, 06:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
BlackSnow Novice Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 37 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	If you put it that way .. will they also win outside the ring?

12-12-2002, 11:57 PM	#5 (permalink)
AAAhmed46 Novice Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 52 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	No, but if it is taught so.... diluted. It will eventually get forgotten. Im just using it as an example About the shotokan, its not only limited to japan. India has alot of shotokan schools. I did not mention japan. Fortunatley, it has not yet been butchered in japan. It isnt so complicated to open a dojo in such areas.

12-12-2002, 11:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
AAAhmed46 Novice Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 52 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	In india, thier is very little protection in sparring matches, and grappling is allowed. Its brutal. So i would say yeah, it would be effective outside the ring.

12-13-2002, 12:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
AAAhmed46 Novice Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 52 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	No, ninjitsu itself is outlawed. Even the combat is taken out, the main parts atleast. Now its just "Sport" though thier are no competitions, its all about hiding now. But thats it. No combat. I didnt mention africa and south america because their was no need, we all know about copoira(FORGIVE THE HORRID SPELLING) ANd arabs dont seem to have a martial art besides how to fight with semitars(arab swords). The guy who's going to teach me bando is indian. Infact, bando is very popular there. THis thread HAS tought me some new things however. I thought thier were only two martial arts native TO india. TIME FOR ME TO HIT THE BOOKS ON THIS THING.

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