Gracie Jiu-Jitsu vs. BJJ

NAJJFDAVE · 12-30-2002, 02:54 PM

Howdy folks!

I realize that being a newbie might disqualify me from starting a thread, however I wanted to share. The following is my opinion.

So, Gracie Jiu-Jitsu (GJJ) vs. BJJ, they are different but how?

Well, first off GJJ is the system of Helio Gracie and his immediate heir, Rorion Gracie and his brothers as recognized by Helio Gracie. GJJ is a self-defense system that just happens to be extremely effective in the sport arena. However, GJJ is not a sport. GJJ certification can't be bought and is only available to qualified students through the Gracie Academy.

BJJ is largely recognized as a sport. There is no owner of BJJ, no family or organization. BJJ competitors have been successful in many open NHB and MMA venues. As a result of this success, unfortunately, many people assume that BJJ is the same as GJJ. This is not the case. BJJ is largely taught as a series of techniques that are thrown together and taught with no real structure. This is in direct contrast to the way GJJ is taught. There are certainly some very skilled BJJ instructors. There are also some very poorly trained BJJ instructors, as just about anyone with marginal skill can, and often does, claim to teach BJJ.

To say that GJJ is more effective than BJJ is not necessarily a correct statement. It would be illogical to apply such a universal. However, one training in GJJ, by way of video, seminar, or ideally right at the Gracie Academy, is drinking directly from the pure spring of knowledge that Helio Gracie has provided. The same is obviously not true for someone training in just BJJ, which has become muddied by people adding or taking away from the spring things they think are best for sport martial arts competition.

The bottom line is that anyone who wants their BJJ studies to be complete, they should at least on occasion be drinking from the pure GJJ spring.

Szczepankiewicz · 12-30-2002, 03:33 PM

Oh, I thought you were going to say 'drink from the cup' which entails a vision of the codpiece....

Other than that, great post.

akja · 12-30-2002, 05:20 PM

True, but gracie jiu-jitsu is brazilian jiu-jitsu and Helio has been quoted several times as saying that all brazilian jiu-jitsu came from him. But I do understand your point in the differant brazilian jiu-jitsus!

NAJJFDAVE · 12-30-2002, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by akja
True, but gracie jiu-jitsu is brazilian jiu-jitsu and Helio has been quoted several times as saying that all brazilian jiu-jitsu came from him. But I do understand your point in the differant brazilian jiu-jitsus!

Helio Gracie's point is that he is the source for all BJJ, and BJJ is not the source for Gracie Jiu-Jitsu.

GRACIEAUSTIN · 12-30-2002, 06:26 PM

So where you trying to make Helio's point or find out if their was a differance between the two types of Jiu-Jitsu?

NAJJFDAVE · 12-30-2002, 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by GRACIEAUSTIN
So where you trying to make Helio's point or find out if their was a differance between the two types of Jiu-Jitsu?

I thought I kind of did both...maybe not. I'm certianly no expert...I'm just a guy with an opinion.

akja · 12-30-2002, 07:25 PM

You are right! I trained under one of Joe Moreiras students who now is a black belt. Joe's BJJ is pure, comes down a slighly differant line though.

JaredExtreme · 12-30-2002, 09:17 PM

You want to know the real difference between GJJ and BJJ.??

GJJ is about $80 more a month.

NAJJFDAVE · 12-30-2002, 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by JaredExtreme
You want to know the real difference between GJJ and BJJ.??

GJJ is about $80 more a month.

A nicely prepared steak costs more than hamburger.

JaredExtreme · 12-30-2002, 10:28 PM

Muddy water has more nutrients than clean water.

platinum_angel · 12-30-2002, 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by JaredExtreme
You want to know the real difference between GJJ and BJJ.??
GJJ is about $80 more a month.

the school i will be going to will offer JKD, MT, Kali, and BJJ. $50 dollers a month for bjj

JaredExtreme · 12-30-2002, 10:42 PM

If it's one of those "Minnesota Martial Arts" chains, I would be careful. There is one in Seattle that offers all those styles in one location, but only about 2 instructors. And c'mon how adept can two guys be at 5 different martial arts?

You get what you pay for.

jhinds · 12-31-2002, 01:11 AM

Well, someone bought the marketing.

NAJJFDAVE · 12-31-2002, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JaredExtreme
Muddy water has more nutrients than clean water.

So, you're saying that your average $50 a month BJJ school(often headed by a seminar promoted purple belt) offers BETTER instruction than what you can get at the Gracie Academy?

Jared buddy Please! Are you trying to convince yourself of that?

akja · 12-31-2002, 08:33 AM

It is hard to compare to the Gracie Academy. I was able to learn from Joe Moreira because he was coming up to San Jose every 2-3 months to teach his student. Roy Harris also came up every few months for the same reason. It was great exposure but it was far from "weekly"! History will tell us, you pay for what you get! But don't get scammed! Do your research!

12-30-2002, 02:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
NAJJFDAVE Novice Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Frederick, Maryland Posts: 31	Gracie Jiu-Jitsu vs. BJJ Howdy folks! I realize that being a newbie might disqualify me from starting a thread, however I wanted to share. The following is my opinion. So, Gracie Jiu-Jitsu (GJJ) vs. BJJ, they are different but how? Well, first off GJJ is the system of Helio Gracie and his immediate heir, Rorion Gracie and his brothers as recognized by Helio Gracie. GJJ is a self-defense system that just happens to be extremely effective in the sport arena. However, GJJ is not a sport. GJJ certification can't be bought and is only available to qualified students through the Gracie Academy. BJJ is largely recognized as a sport. There is no owner of BJJ, no family or organization. BJJ competitors have been successful in many open NHB and MMA venues. As a result of this success, unfortunately, many people assume that BJJ is the same as GJJ. This is not the case. BJJ is largely taught as a series of techniques that are thrown together and taught with no real structure. This is in direct contrast to the way GJJ is taught. There are certainly some very skilled BJJ instructors. There are also some very poorly trained BJJ instructors, as just about anyone with marginal skill can, and often does, claim to teach BJJ. To say that GJJ is more effective than BJJ is not necessarily a correct statement. It would be illogical to apply such a universal. However, one training in GJJ, by way of video, seminar, or ideally right at the Gracie Academy, is drinking directly from the pure spring of knowledge that Helio Gracie has provided. The same is obviously not true for someone training in just BJJ, which has become muddied by people adding or taking away from the spring things they think are best for sport martial arts competition. The bottom line is that anyone who wants their BJJ studies to be complete, they should at least on occasion be drinking from the pure GJJ spring. __________________ Yours in jujitsu, David Howe Last edited by NAJJFDAVE; 12-30-2002 at 07:27 PM.

12-30-2002, 05:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
akja Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tracy, Ca. Posts: 415	True, but gracie jiu-jitsu is brazilian jiu-jitsu and Helio has been quoted several times as saying that all brazilian jiu-jitsu came from him. But I do understand your point in the differant brazilian jiu-jitsus! __________________ Academy of Kempo Ju Jitsu & Association http://www.scientific-streetfighting.com/ "If people say Jeet Kune Do is different from "this" or from "that," then let the name of Jeet Kune Do be wiped out, for that is what it is, just a name. Please don't fuss over it." -----Great SiGung Bruce Lee-----

12-30-2002, 06:26 PM	#5 (permalink)
GRACIEAUSTIN Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Austin Posts: 211	So where you trying to make Helio's point or find out if their was a differance between the two types of Jiu-Jitsu? __________________ WWW.GRACIEAUSTIN.COM

12-30-2002, 07:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
akja Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tracy, Ca. Posts: 415	You are right! I trained under one of Joe Moreiras students who now is a black belt. Joe's BJJ is pure, comes down a slighly differant line though. __________________ Academy of Kempo Ju Jitsu & Association http://www.scientific-streetfighting.com/ "If people say Jeet Kune Do is different from "this" or from "that," then let the name of Jeet Kune Do be wiped out, for that is what it is, just a name. Please don't fuss over it." -----Great SiGung Bruce Lee-----

12-30-2002, 09:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
JaredExtreme Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,115	You want to know the real difference between GJJ and BJJ.?? GJJ is about $80 more a month. __________________ "I don't fight in the street, there's no mats out there." - JaredExtreme

12-30-2002, 03:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109	Oh, I thought you were going to say 'drink from the cup' which entails a vision of the codpiece.... Other than that, great post.

12-30-2002, 10:28 PM	#10 (permalink)
JaredExtreme Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,115	Muddy water has more nutrients than clean water. __________________ "I don't fight in the street, there's no mats out there." - JaredExtreme

12-30-2002, 10:42 PM	#12 (permalink)
JaredExtreme Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,115	If it's one of those "Minnesota Martial Arts" chains, I would be careful. There is one in Seattle that offers all those styles in one location, but only about 2 instructors. And c'mon how adept can two guys be at 5 different martial arts? You get what you pay for. __________________ "I don't fight in the street, there's no mats out there." - JaredExtreme

12-31-2002, 01:11 AM	#13 (permalink)
jhinds Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Dallas Posts: 19	Well, someone bought the marketing.

12-31-2002, 08:33 AM	#15 (permalink)
akja Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tracy, Ca. Posts: 415	It is hard to compare to the Gracie Academy. I was able to learn from Joe Moreira because he was coming up to San Jose every 2-3 months to teach his student. Roy Harris also came up every few months for the same reason. It was great exposure but it was far from "weekly"! History will tell us, you pay for what you get! But don't get scammed! Do your research! __________________ Academy of Kempo Ju Jitsu & Association http://www.scientific-streetfighting.com/ "If people say Jeet Kune Do is different from "this" or from "that," then let the name of Jeet Kune Do be wiped out, for that is what it is, just a name. Please don't fuss over it." -----Great SiGung Bruce Lee-----

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