Anyone experienced this problem

[Mr Angry]

The last art i practiced was called Sun Kune Do.. Now the Founder/Instructer was Amazing He held Countless Titles in the world of fighting. And you could well belive it just buy looking at him.. His Techniques are the best ive ever seen best kics so much power and form.. He could hold a side kick well above head height and it looked solid enough to hang off of... He had a rep for knocking people out with his legs...
His Back ground was Karate, Ikedo, Judo. He and one of his friends constructed the above art. And is quite big in the london area here in the UK...
The art has a good range.
Sweeps, throws, Practical kicks and flashy kicks, Knees elbows, Wester hands ( boxing) Locking Techniques. lots of free sparring
Always emphasised on perfect form and power using the whole body to throw a technique. And the art went really well i used the practical side of it in a couple of street situations a few times.
The only trouble is ive trained under him for about 7 years. And i fear hes going down hill. Personally im a striker But i realise how usefull It is to be able to trap and grapple. So i train throwing sweeping grappling to have a good arsenal.
Ive always admired him for his amazing kicks and puntches And its given me alot of incentive to develope my self to the same level as him.. ( Altough im still no where near it.)
Anyway latly hes emphasising on more locking techniques than The dynamic side of things.. I fear this may be somthing to do with his age i hardly see him throw many techniques now its all joint locks.. I think hes adapting the art because hes loosing his strikeing abilities. Hes in his early 40s now..
Anyway i have to travel very far by train to train with him and i dont think its worth the effort any more..
And i have visited lots of arts and i cannot find a good instructer that can out strike me in sparring.
So ive been going to kick boxing classes and traing more practically at home with my friend as we share the same ideas for trainging for realism on the street.
Only trouble is i hve to watch my form cos ive noticed kickboxing does cut alot of form down so its usefull in the ring.
I suppose this is one of the good things about traditional arts cos they have routines and forms And they have been around for along time. So the instructers cannot just cange thier minds about thier art and Adapt it when they feel the need to.

[ov1]

Not sure what you are asking for here. But I will take a stab at it none the less. If you want effectiveness, then "form" is going to suffer. Holding a side kick above ones head that looks strong enough to hang something from is not impressive; at least to those interested in real world application of martial theory.

Forms are not practical outside the dojo. However, if you enjoy doing them, and get something out of it, more power to you. What you need to decide is whether or not you want to take a more non traditional approach to training. I think that if you went to a school that focused on NHB/MMA/vale tudo, whatever you call it in Jolly ole' England that you would get more than a match in striking, and definitely some schooling on the mat.

There are huge gaps in traditional striking and what we have today being taught in the arts that are considered more "real world."

Take a chance, change your training paradigm; come to the dark side with the rest of us.

All of the titles and trophies in the world do not mean a thing. BTW, are any of the tropihies in your teachers case from NHB?

[CHOKE UK]

I must say that i totally agree with the OV1 post.

And I am in "jolly old England" !!!

I have never even heard of the "dan kune do".

And i have definately not heard of any instructor who has excelled at any "real NHB/vale tudo" etc.

Your ability sounded quite impressive, until you mentioned those dreaded words, "traditional-and - form".

Holding legs above your head, bears no realation to a real fight, .....UNLESS YOU CAN DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME !!!!

YOU say that you can beat most of the instructors that you have attended.
But perhaps you havent fought anyone of note?

Which THAI-boxing instructors have you sparred with.
I know several who are great fighters, and if you can beat them, than you should be winning european titiles.

I dont mean to sound critical but just trying to get things onto perspective.

Also "striking" is only part of fighting.
You will also need other skills, as much and in my opinion, even more.

My opinion is that no one can really say that they have even begun to be a competant fighter until they can prove themselves to have some ability at either real fighting or as near as possible, like the nhb etc

All that can be said is that a good boxer is good at the hand striking, a good kickboxer is good at hand and feet striking, a good judo fighter can throw and pin well etc
A good karateka, is well still not worth mentioning !!!

[Bri Thai]

I've not heard of it either, and I have been actively interested in the martial arts since 1980.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Did they even have martial arts in 1980? I thought they were still working on things like 'the wheel'?

Bri Thai, what was the great depression like?

[Sinner]

Loss of Honour???

personally Pal, I think you are F**king pathetic the way you talk about your teacher like that is dishonest and reckless and as for being able to out strike other tutors thats just big headed and i hope you learn your lesson by someone knocking you on your arse.

why instead of moaning a preaching to the world over the net about how badly done to you are don't you approach your teacher and ask him to work on your form and place more emphesis on your striking abilities.

Where i am from my two teachers although i am no where near there abilities, experience, strength, discipline or age we still manage to show each other the correct respect and i know that if i approached them in the correct and respectful manner they would help me in what ever area's i wanted to work in

[Katsu]

For any man to speak of their master with such disrespect is not worthy of the title "martial artist". Such a man is a coward and without honor.

[bdipab]

For any man to speak of their master with such disrespect is not worthy of the title "martial artist". Such a man is a coward and without honor.