martial arts for cristians

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by J-Luck

Tant... how can you say, "the doctrine of the duality of god and Jesus is flawed, it is a false teaching." Your argument is not legit and doesn't hold up. The apostles are not God, you are taking the obvious out of context... If a statement is made where the message is heavily implied(remember the original audience) then why would an explanation of calling them one be needed? Also, the doctrine of the trinity is all over scripture... you suggest there is only one we use to define it... that's simply not true. Your argument is internally flawed.

You are a trinitarian.... You are free to believe as you see fit. I do not hold the same faith in your god...

Adonijah...


Mt 6:9-10 Jesus did not pray to himself. He did not want his own name to be sanctified... etc... they are clearly two distinct individuals, as set forth in the Bible... one is the Father the other is His son, Jesus... I hold that the trinity is a false teaching (doctrine) supported by apostate christendom...Not the bible.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by J-Luck

Also, Tant, your statment about Jesus praying to himself makes no sense. True, he is God, but he submits to God and his will, being the son of God. He is not praying to himself, and prayer is not some mystical thing, it's merely talking to God, someone who regularly prays might call it a conversation. Is it SO crazy for a son to talk to his father? Maybe lol... but I don't think so.

IF Jesus is god then he would be praying to himself would he not?

Jesus is God's son. That's what the Bible tells us... It makes perfect sense for a son to speak to his father. To want to do the will of his father. It makes no sense (to me) to say that Jesus IS god... Otherwise you're back to him praying to himself...

[EmptyneSs]

the whole idea of jesus being God and the trinity goes against the concept of monotheism. this is why i cant acccept it.

[Eyegouge]

God is like an apple. lol.
The skin is the father...blah blah blah....the flesh is the son....blah blah blah...and the core is the holy ghost....blah blah blah....in the end they are yet one apple....haha....i just ate god.....muh haw haw....

[cam427]

Originally Posted by J-Luck

It's the love. Christianity is the only faith based solely on love.

Wow, do you actually know ANYTHING about ANY other religion.

Almost ALL religions are based on love. What about Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism. What about the non-religious groups who also believe in unconditional love (Khrishnamurti, etc).

This is the problem with religious people. They believe they have all the answers and everyone else is wrong.

Jesus was not a Christian but he seemed a decent enough guy.

Cam

[Eyegouge]

Those silly irish ppl ^ :P

[Mr. Arieson]

Originally Posted by J-Luck

Ok, there seem to be a few questionable posts here I'd like to adress, but I think there are too many so I'll try to cover them broadly. First off, sweeping generalizations make only the user of them look ignorant, not the group targeted by them.

Whoever said that fundamentalists don't help the poor is mistaken. There are some who do, and some who don't. Any one who truly has their heart changed by Christ will help those in need like they should. It won't even be a challenge.

Most don't. They are too busy focusing on gays.

Someone said Christ didn't address abortion, evolution, and homosexuality in any depth. And this is true. Reason being, he felt his stances were directly implied on such isssues. Though abortion didn't exist like it does now, and evolution wasn't even a hypothesis, his views are both specific and general, allowing him to encompass these issues that would later arise. And, Genisis does have a practical application when speaking of Christ's words, you forget that he was raised an orthodox Jew, meaning he held every word in the Torah with great reverance as the written word of his father, and therefore was influenced by them. Murder is wrong, ruling out abortion... I'm sure Jesus felt this way lol. Evolution, besides being scientifically unsound and unfounded, discredits God, and as the son of God, why would Jesus give credit to evolution, even if it didn't exist back then. And homosexuality is covered enough in the Torah(which again he found sacred). And, as for the 9/11 being our fault or whatever some people beilive, it's crazy. Jesus' biggest change from orthodox Judaism is gracy and mercy as opposed to wrath and destruction. And the reason he talked the poor and sick so much was because of the same reason, he was breaking the "it's your fault bad things are happening to you" mindest and trying to usher in the grace and mercy.

We cannot know how Jesus felt except by reading his own words, the beatitudes. Anything else is presumtion on our parts. Evolution is a flawed theory... if one can call it a theory. Evolution, from the onset, did not employ sound scientific theory. Porponents of it routinely try to prove it... instead of trying to disprove a hypothesis, and in the inability to do so you begin to formulate your theory. Also, scientists are aknowleding now that it is flawed, thus the transfer of though to Intelligent Design as of late, which scientists will still not attribute to God . The only reason evolution stuck around so long was because of sciences' inability to attribute ANYTHING AT ALL to supernatural causes.

Gravity is also just a theory. You fundies forget that.

I also heard that someone's relative didn't go to church because of the whole 7 days thing. The Hebrew word used to describe day in that passage was a word that had multipple meanings. A. a 12 hour period, B. a 24 hour period, C. a period of time defined by 2 significant events, a beggining event, and and ending event. This could account for thousands, millions, or even billions of years. Could even help explain the dinosaurs lol. I'll leave that up to science.(they don't screw up so bad when there is no bias)

Again, an example of Fundies picking and choosing what they want the rest of us to believe. The bible says literally 7 days. This is what religious conservatives who are running this country base thier decisions on OVER real science. it's what justifies everything from from trying to stop the removal of a feeding tube from Terri Schiavo to removing almost all science from the classrooms (If they have thier way) But when push comes to shove, it;s all of a sudden "Well, the ancient hebrew actually meant...)
A good example of that is in Genesis, actually. We are told that we have "dominion" over the animals and land. Other translations of the Hebrew seem to say we have "stewardship" of the land. It makes a big, big difference because one translation seems to say you can build oil wells in the middle of the forest, or put a factory there. The other seems to be saying we should be protectors of the environment.

In the last post, I think there was something to the degree of... all paths lead to the devine and therefore suggesting all religions are equal. That is in and of itself contradictory. I don't see many established religions prescribing to that belief. Also, it is an illogical way of thinking. The goal of religion is to attain salvation... and each has its truth, and that is the way it goes about attaining this salvation. What is implied by saying they are all equally valid, is that all truths are also equally valid. Truth is in and of itself is final, and not flexible. Truth is defined as "That which is considered to be the supreme reality and to have the ultimate meaning and value of existence." There can only be one truth to attaining salvation, and therefore only one religion can be right.

So I guess that's it. I'm open to defending my statements so long as it's debate, not senseless bashing and ignorant argument.

Oh, since this is a mma site, what are you guys thinking of the Gracie-Hughes fighting coming up. I think if Hughes can keep it standing up he's got a good shot(though I heard Royce has been training heavily with boxing and muay thai) but on the ground I'm not sure Hughes can last long. I'm saying Gracie... submission 3rd round... but close fight.

I honestly believe their are two kinds of Christians. Those like the black minister during the Rodney King riots who came to the aid (and put his body between) of a white man who had been spray painted in the face by a angry mob, and the Reverend phelps who brought anti-gay protesters to matthew Shepards funeral.

[OmaPlata]

Blah Blah Blah, All This Religious Garbage Is Making Me Ill. Havent You Idiots Heard? God Is Dead. The Christian God Has Ceased To Be Believeable. Take Of The Blindfolds, Learn To See The World And Get Your Lives Back. Crackpots I Tell Ya. Now Back To Bjj

[GQchris]

Originally Posted by OmaPlata

Blah Blah Blah, All This Religious Garbage Is Making Me Ill. Havent You Idiots Heard? God Is Dead. The Christian God Has Ceased To Be Believeable. Take Of The Blindfolds, Learn To See The World And Get Your Lives Back. Crackpots I Tell Ya. Now Back To Bjj

Hey Jackass; here's a hint, if you don't like the subject, don't chime in. Now please Phuck Off, it's a free country for whoever we want to worship. Now I know that's not very Christian, but I'm tired of Phucks like you... we don't bother atheists, so leave us the phuck alone.

[Escrima Jim]

Originally Posted by crazyjoe380

Plat angel's post is right on the money believe it or not.. "True" Christians should not be in martial arts.. i'm am not a baptized christian i'm still learning.. so i stopped muay thai and boxing and just grapple w/ no strikes.. for now..

see where my conscience takes me..

You say that you are not baptised, was the thief on the cross baptised before he went into the Kingdom Of Heaven? No.

You are saved by faith in Christ Jesus, who came to the world for the remission of sins through repentance. believe in Him to save you. Look at Isaiah 45 v 22 and Mark 1 v 17.

I'm a Full Time Martial Artist and a Full Time Evangelical Christian.

www.escrimaconcepts.com

www.gefc.org.uk

There is nothing wrong with being able to defend yourself, the disciples carried swords, look at John 18 v 10.

Jesus said turn the other cheek, he didn't say let the world walk over you and kick you head in, did he..

Contact me on email if you want to discuss.

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by cam427

Wow, do you actually know ANYTHING about ANY other religion.

Almost ALL religions are based on love. What about Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism.

"What about Buddhism" - escape from the cycle of life and death, compassion (that's close)

"What about Islam" - surrender, obedience

"What about Hinduism" - direct intervention by favored dieties from a pantheon of gods

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by J-Luck

Evolution is a flawed theory... if one can call it a theory. Evolution, from the onset, did not employ sound scientific theory. Porponents of it routinely try to prove it... instead of trying to disprove a hypothesis, and in the inability to do so you begin to formulate your theory. Also, scientists are aknowleding now that it is flawed, thus the transfer of though to Intelligent Design as of late, which scientists will still not attribute to God . The only reason evolution stuck around so long was because of sciences' inability to attribute ANYTHING AT ALL to supernatural causes.

I don't have any ill will towards the theory of evolution. It's a theory and it won't shake my faith in God, my prayer life, my testimonies etc. Its man's best explanation of the development of biological systems-take it for what it is. Will it be disproved later? Who knows?

God will reveal truths to us. He created the universe. The Bible tells us what & why. Do we know how? Not really, but we have several theories as to how it was created. Even if the big bang theory was correct, think about the power source (remember energy cannot be created nor destroyed, merely transferred); that's pretty supernatural to me!

At one time, the sun centered universe was a theory. The ancient Greeks came very, very close to predicting this way before Galileo. Newton came up with a new theoretical form of math to describe our universe. At some point in time, society developed the theory of germs (what a silly concept). Society came up with some theories about electro-magnetic fields and half a century later, some more scientists came up with the theory of releasing energy by splitting atoms (to this day many atomic structures and particles are still classified as theory). However, many of the orginal theories were dropped because they didn't work.

All of these theoreticians were probably viewed as nut jobs. Today's theoreticians get the same slack.

We were created in God's image.

[Escrima Jim]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

I don't have any ill will towards the theory of evolution. It's a theory and it won't shake my faith in God, my prayer life, my testimonies etc. Its man's best explanation of the development of biological systems-take it for what it is. Will it be disproved later? Who knows?

God will reveal truths to us. He created the universe. The Bible tells us what & why. Do we know how? Not really, but we have several theories as to how it was created. Even if the big bang theory was correct, think about the power source (remember energy cannot be created nor destroyed, merely transferred); that's pretty supernatural to me.

At one time, the sun centered universe was a theory. The ancient Greeks came very, very close to predicting this way before Galileo. Newton came up with a new form of math to describe our universe. At some point in time, society developed the theory of germs (what a silly concept). Society came up with some theories about electro-magnetic fields and half a century later, some more scientists came up with the theory of releasing energy by splitting atoms.

All of these theoreticians were probably viewed as nut jobs. Today's theoreticians get the same slack.

We were created in God's image.

I know you said you believe in God and Christ Jesus, but just for the record the big bang theory can't be true as Christ Jesus, preached creation. He's not going to to be preaching something thats wrong.

He came to this sinful world to die for our sins, as we are unclean in his sight. The Christian message is simple " Repent and believe".

As for Evolution, how crazy do you need to be. if it was true, monkeys would either be changing into humans today or they would be non around as they all would of evolved and died out. As neither is true then that's not true.

God Bless.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by Escrima Jim

I know you said you believe in God and Christ Jesus, but just for the record the big bang theory can't be true as Christ Jesus, preached creation. He's not going to to be preaching something thats wrong..

I'm not questioning God's word. I believe He created the universe (Genesis), but I don't know how. If we want intelligent design to succeed, we need to be able to reconcile with the laws of physics. We need more Christians getting PhDs in the fundamental sciences. Could I become a minister without attending seminary and digesting the words of the Bible?

Originally Posted by Escrima Jim

He came to this sinful world to die for our sins, as we are unclean in his sight. The Christian message is simple " Repent and believe"..

Yes and I love and accept His message.

Originally Posted by Escrima Jim

As for Evolution, how crazy do you need to be. if it was true, monkeys would either be changing into humans today or they would be non around as they all would of evolved and died out. As neither is true then that's not true. God Bless.

Theories are crazy, Jim. They allways will be.

I predict chemical engineers will be manufacturing transferable body parts from proteins (with specifications!) within 100 years.

[Mr. Arieson]

I don't know why I would bother responding to someone who has no capability for logic or even a glimmer of intelligence.

Big bang can not be true because Jesus said so?

Are you high on drugs, guy?

As far as evolution goes, did you totally just sleep during beginning biology?

Evolution is a fact, not a theory and the reason cold viruses mutate and we can't find a cure for them, proves it. Dude, do you think God likes to screw with people and put ankle bones in whales just to test your faith?

Now, I am getting upset. It's one thing to have a logical argument like Tom Yum, regarding transfer of energy. I might buy that...but escrima Jim just takes the cake. Escrima, piece of advice...throw your PC away and start churning butter yourself, because Genesis makes no mention of computers, and according to your logic, they therefore don't exist.

besides, the plastic, metal and electronics inside it were created in labs by scientists. They did not magically appear as is.

It's funny how these creationists/fundamentalists don't believe in science
until someone they love is raped and murdered. Then you can be damn sure that they will want the scientists to examine DNA evidence and show who did it!!

I swear, these people are no different then the islamic fundamentalists we are fighting right now. They are just as narrow minded and ridiculous.

These are the same type of people that went after Buzz Aldrin, and called him a fake and a fraud, saying we never really landed on the moon. These people are at worst, evil, and at the very least, unpatriotic and un-american!