Steroids Threads

It seems we have a campaign to promote steroid abuse amongst us. I personally couldn't care less, and have seen many a sad steroid head behave like a tosser and get himself locked up. I have also seen how many athletes and weight trainers "mysteriously" drop dead.

But I am concerned about the younger members of the board. people who are not yet mature enough to see through the "Steroids are OK really" bullshit, and people who might be tempted to tread down that path.

But why have the abusers (if there is more than one) chosen to start thread after thread about it? Why don't we keep it all on this thread and then, when the roid rage has died down, one of the mods can quickly and easily throw it all in the bin?

Makes sense to me.

[Frackal]

We are not promoting anything.

I am simply correcting your misinformation and rather disgusting feign of concern for young people in an effort to get these threads deleted.

The very fact that you cannot differentiate between use and abuse shows how small minded and low on the intelligence ladder you are.

Besides all that, you have not seen a damn thing. You and I both know you are vastly exaggerating and/or lying completely.

It is a real shame that you are a police officer with the zealot-like attitude that you present here. I feel sorry for the people in your area.

I doubt anyone is fooled by your transparent attempt at using inflammatory phrases such as "young people" "steroid abuse" etc to manipulate your fellow board members.

Why dont you make an effort to discuss this in a reasonable manner instead of going off the wall? That tendency you have is a scary trait for a cop to carry.

[Frackal]

Btw, to address your point, we are speaking of steroid USE (not abuse, realize the difference) by responsible adults, for children it is a different ballgame.

Since you are a cop, I will say that my personal feelings about steroid legalites should be that they are NOT scheduled in the US, that they are not illegal to possess, but that sale to minors IS illegal and not looked favorably upon by the justice system.... that, in my opinion is the ideal legal situation.

[Sinistar]

come on man. you are coming off a lil like a steriod radical here. my opinion on the legality of steriods is similar to yours if its still through a doctor ect, but the claim that you are not abusing steriods is such a lie that you should be ashamed. you are taking supraphysiological doses yto gain crazy amounts of mass. lets be real here on that. and if you werent abusing them, not you speciificlly, there wouldnt be a bunch of posts over at elite dealing with side effects. lets be real about what goes on. these guys arent blessed with open minds or a great deal of brains, but lets not try to **** them sideways.

[Frackal]

Sinistar, I know why you came here to post this.

If your only definition is that it causes 'harm' to the body, then there are many things that can be abused.

Obesity is one of the leading causes of death in this country, does that mean we should outlaw junk food?

I dont believe so. I believe adults have the right to make responsible decisions about what they put in their bodies.

My definition of steroid abuse vs. use requires a bit of knowledge about the pharmacology of steroids themselves, so I wont go into that here.

I dont think the people of this board are stupid, not even Bri...If I thought they were stupid I would not be making an effort to show someone my viewpoints on this and correct some misconceptions.

Bri, if you saw a board where people were badmouthing and stereotyping martial artists as being prone to violence, hurting people, etc, and you knew that it was not true, would you not wish to try to correct some people's viewpoints?

[MrPoopy]

Frackal, if you're using steroids, I seriously doubt your doctor prescribed them. Obviously steroids can help people, but the way you're using them isn't going to be helpful for anyone.

[nuh_mizer]

Originally posted by Sinistar
come on man. you are coming off a lil like a steriod radical here. my opinion on the legality of steriods is similar to yours if its still through a doctor ect, but the claim that you are not abusing steriods is such a lie that you should be ashamed. you are taking supraphysiological doses yto gain crazy amounts of mass. lets be real here on that. and if you werent abusing them, not you speciificlly, there wouldnt be a bunch of posts over at elite dealing with side effects. lets be real about what goes on. these guys arent blessed with open minds or a great deal of brains, but lets not try to **** them sideways.

The term "abuse" is relative. Just because someone is using steroids doesn't mean he/she is abusing them. If you drink a beer are you abusing alcohol?
The posts on elite you are talking about are usually posted by people that ARE abusing steroids by taking too much (in my opinion) and it's a good thing that websites like that exsist to help the people that make mistakes.

[superdave]

You just made another steroid thread buddy.

[Big Anaconda]

Bri
Seeing as you are a fellow Uk resident, you will know that Anabolic Androgenic Steroids are perfectly legal for personal use. Just ask the copper who trains at my gym, it is only the dealing that is illegal. Secondly i have seen both sides of this debate, before i came to lifting i studied ITF taekwondo for 2 years so i have a fair old clue about the martial arts world. Im fortunate to say that none of the people i trained with were as ignorant as you. Sadly egos as large as yours were to found everywhere, one of the reasons the martial arts are no longer attractive to me.

[CDitty]

Abuse? too much of anything is abuse... people have died from consuming too much water...

the reason people discuss the "side-effecs" of anabolics is to learn... educate and teach people how to use anabolics properly ... to help them to be used in an efficent fashion so as to not induce abuse.

Without a discussion of the bad, you cannot discuss the good... that would be foolish.

C-ditty

[Big Johnson]

Originally posted by Bri Thai
I have also seen how many athletes and weight trainers "mysteriously" drop dead.

I have never met ONE person who has died from steroid use, and I know quite a few steroid users.

As a matter of fact, I'm willing to bet that more people die each year from brain embolisms while dropping a deuce than steroid use.

As to your accusation of "promoting" steroid use, I only suggest people approach the subject of anabolic steroids with an open mind. I grow tired of regurgitated propaganda founded upon nothing more than fear and envy.

Can the misuse of steroids **** you up? Yes. Can steroids be used responsibly and promote good health, both psychologically and physically? Yes.

[MrPoopy]

I have never met ONE person who has died from steroid use, and I know quite a few steroid users.

I've never met any dead people either.

[ryanhall]

BJ,
Even if deaths are not resulting left and right from sterooid use, I pose a question to you. Do you think it even remotely fair that incredible records are falling to average athletes due to the use of muscle enhancing steroids? Take a look at baseball for instance. Brett Boone, Seattle Mariners second baseman who weighs about 180 lbs and averages 10 home runs per season with the Cincinatti Reds puts on 38 lbs of muslce (looks like a completely different person) in one year (don't even try to call that natural), hits 40+ home runs and breaks the record for home runs for a second baseman. The previous record holder is in the hall of fame in Cooperstown. Had he had access to these enhancements, he would certainly still own the record. Is this an OK practice in your estimation? An average player without "cheating" (and it is cheating, as steroids are illegal in the MLB) gets the record by making himself far bigger/stronger than he could have ever been naturally. I am interested in your input.

[STEROIDABUSER]

I love Steroid threads.....alot

[Big Johnson]

Originally posted by ryanhall
BJ,
Even if deaths are not resulting left and right from sterooid use, I pose a question to you. Do you think it even remotely fair that incredible records are falling to average athletes due to the use of muscle enhancing steroids? Take a look at baseball for instance. Brett Boone, Seattle Mariners second baseman who weighs about 180 lbs and averages 10 home runs per season with the Cincinatti Reds puts on 38 lbs of muslce (looks like a completely different person) in one year (don't even try to call that natural), hits 40+ home runs and breaks the record for home runs for a second baseman. The previous record holder is in the hall of fame in Cooperstown. Had he had access to these enhancements, he would certainly still own the record. Is this an OK practice in your estimation? An average player without "cheating" (and it is cheating, as steroids are illegal in the MLB) gets the record by making himself far bigger/stronger than he could have ever been naturally. I am interested in your input.

At last, some intelligent debate.

Given two athletes, both of whom eat well and train hard, the athlete taking even a very small dose of any anabolic will typically perform better. This is true in almost any sport.

Sports that require athletes to test clean prior to an event typically leave a large enough window for athletes to use anabolic compounds, whether they be legal (andro) or illegal (testosterone). It doesn't really become "cheating" until the event is labeled as a "natural" event, such as are seen in bodybuilding. If I competitor is using anabolics prior to a natural event, I will consign that this, in fact, is cheating.

As to your sentiment regaurding the availability of anabolics, what makes you think athletes of time past would not also take advantage of anabolic hormones if they had been available?

The truth is that athletes, regaurdless of what century you find them in, have ALWAYS looked for performance enhancing substances.

However, most athletes do not overly concern themselves with the availability of anabolics because they understand that without a proper diet, discipline, and training, no amount of any anabolic will make you a better athlete.