Fancy Kicks and TKD work GREAT - Page 2

eXcessiveForce · 03-02-2003, 09:52 AM

Side note, The deflection angle to stop a "flying kick" is upwards.

If the leg is deflected upward the momentum of the body will cause the kicker to rotate so their back and tailbone are parallel to the ground and then the person can be slammed down.

A fly kick is generally a Run Jump Kick which requires a lot of space and there is a huge commitment to the technique.

For experienced people it is very easy to avoid this kick and counter while the person is still in the air or as they touch down.

If they side step they have access to the persons back and a good tackle or side kick can take their balance and cause some real trouble for the kicker.

It doesn't mean it wouldn't work on occasion but it would be a very low probability shot for someone who has experience kicking.

akja · 03-03-2003, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by Great Sage

Unfortunately for you, this is not true at all. A person executing a flying kick correctly is coiled and releases at the appropriate time of contact. If you came running into a kick, that would be even better for the kicker. A matter of physics... The guy moving with great force then releasing a kick will have more momentum. If you simply tried to push, you'd be in for a surprise.

You must of flunked PHYSICS!!

Mr. Roboto · 03-03-2003, 07:18 PM

agreed and please keep in mind these are HAPKIDO'S kicks

Typhoon · 03-03-2003, 08:37 PM

Ok to PROVE that TKD is not uneffective I went to my masters tkd class where I take muy thai. And he doesnt teach useless kicks he teaches kick punchies joint locks leg lock russian sambo some jujitsu moves in them and some muy thai and soem of everything, its still tkd cause he does still teach katas everyonce in a while and his students still do go to tournaments but his classes are amazing he teaches such good self defence(ex bouncer, bodyguard) that I am sure his students can handle themselves.

akja · 03-04-2003, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by Typhoon
Ok to PROVE that TKD is not uneffective I went to my masters tkd class where I take muy thai. And he doesnt teach useless kicks he teaches kick punchies joint locks leg lock russian sambo some jujitsu moves in them and some muy thai and soem of everything, its still tkd cause he does still teach katas everyonce in a while and his students still do go to tournaments but his classes are amazing he teaches such good self defence(ex bouncer, bodyguard) that I am sure his students can handle themselves.

Its really the fighter and the way he trains. Not the individual techniques.

Typhoon · 03-04-2003, 12:02 PM

Thats what I am saying its the way they teach it not the art it self. If you have a teacher that jsut teaches stuff for tournaments then you WILL get your ass beaten on the street. If its a class where they teach everythign how to punch to head, wrist locks, we even have some wrestling then you ll be able to handle your self

03-04-2003, 01:41 PM

Here we go with that flawed logic again.

"My art is great"
"No it is not"
"Yes it is, because we train in Sombo, Jiu Jitsu, Muay Thai......"

Thats just silly. It's like saying that drawing is better than painting, and we draw with paint brushes........

Typhoon · 03-04-2003, 02:24 PM

I never said it waas the best, for me its great cause thats what I was looking for, for someone else it might turn them off completely to other martial arts. To him his own.

03-04-2003, 02:35 PM

Read the title of the thread. The things you're talking about are NOT fancy kicks and NOT TKD.

David M. · 03-12-2003, 01:05 PM

We should petition to change the name of this part of the forum to "Sport Fighting" or just "Fighting."

I love high, flying, and other kicks. I can do them all, especially a low front kick, teep, snap kick, or whatever you want to call it...

Futher, I've never been in a real fight. Almost--twice. I love martial arts. Not fighting--someone will get hurt. I love martial arts because all of them (JKD, TKD, Kenpo, Jujutsu, Silat, Savate, Krav, Sambo, Bando, Wing Chun, Tai Chi, Yoga, Hula Dancing, Kali, you name it) push me to better myself physically (position v. momentum v. force) and to know myself better in all ways.

I don't care if I can kick somebody's ass. I kick my own every time I work out.

Does anyone want to write/talk about WHY he/she loves the martial arts? and for Ryan, artes marciales?

D

MercuryTurrent · 03-12-2003, 10:43 PM

TKD kicks work alright in instincive attack. A well timed hook kick when someone is stumbling forward can do exceptional damage, as can a thai kick after a two-piece. It depends on judgement and capability. If you can kick high, I say go for it; but not too often. People will eventually begin to charge; it's best to use high kicks maybe once or twice in order to knock someone out. It's a gamble, but a very safe one when done at the right time.

P_angel... do I know you from somewhere?

kuksool · 03-13-2003, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by yungsmoke
all i have to say is dotn fly kick any one i have seen people get there asses kick because of it.
in the air, on one leg with your back turned........hell ****ing no!!!

cyrijl · 03-14-2003, 09:57 AM

there's a difference between a high kick and a fancy kick. There is a guy in my krav class that accidentally kicks people in (near) the throat. He is a little tall, but he is just so fast and flexible he does it.

Now any move with the word 'flying' in it, i am a little skeptical of.

Rockets · 03-19-2003, 05:02 PM

My observations in the Gracie academy is that people like the author get taken down hard when they try the high kick, get mounted, and then submitted or pounded. Pretty much 99% of the time.

03-02-2003, 09:52 AM	#16 (permalink)
eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,828	Side note, The deflection angle to stop a "flying kick" is upwards. If the leg is deflected upward the momentum of the body will cause the kicker to rotate so their back and tailbone are parallel to the ground and then the person can be slammed down. A fly kick is generally a Run Jump Kick which requires a lot of space and there is a huge commitment to the technique. For experienced people it is very easy to avoid this kick and counter while the person is still in the air or as they touch down. If they side step they have access to the persons back and a good tackle or side kick can take their balance and cause some real trouble for the kicker. It doesn't mean it wouldn't work on occasion but it would be a very low probability shot for someone who has experience kicking. __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive.

03-03-2003, 07:18 PM	#18 (permalink)
Mr. Roboto Novice Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2	agreed and please keep in mind these are HAPKIDO'S kicks __________________ The three most important things in high school life... 1. car 2. job 3. girl without 1 there is no 2, without 1 and 2 there is no 3. I've only got 1

03-12-2003, 01:05 PM	#25 (permalink)
David M. Novice Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mid-South Posts: 13	Fancy Kicks and TKD work great... We should petition to change the name of this part of the forum to "Sport Fighting" or just "Fighting." I love high, flying, and other kicks. I can do them all, especially a low front kick, teep, snap kick, or whatever you want to call it... Futher, I've never been in a real fight. Almost--twice. I love martial arts. Not fighting--someone will get hurt. I love martial arts because all of them (JKD, TKD, Kenpo, Jujutsu, Silat, Savate, Krav, Sambo, Bando, Wing Chun, Tai Chi, Yoga, Hula Dancing, Kali, you name it) push me to better myself physically (position v. momentum v. force) and to know myself better in all ways. I don't care if I can kick somebody's ass. I kick my own every time I work out. Does anyone want to write/talk about WHY he/she loves the martial arts? and for Ryan, artes marciales? D

03-12-2003, 10:43 PM	#26 (permalink)
MercuryTurrent Novice Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 80	Tada, Merc is back! TKD kicks work alright in instincive attack. A well timed hook kick when someone is stumbling forward can do exceptional damage, as can a thai kick after a two-piece. It depends on judgement and capability. If you can kick high, I say go for it; but not too often. People will eventually begin to charge; it's best to use high kicks maybe once or twice in order to knock someone out. It's a gamble, but a very safe one when done at the right time. P_angel... do I know you from somewhere?

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03-03-2003, 08:37 PM	#19 (permalink)
Typhoon Novice Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 66	Ok to PROVE that TKD is not uneffective I went to my masters tkd class where I take muy thai. And he doesnt teach useless kicks he teaches kick punchies joint locks leg lock russian sambo some jujitsu moves in them and some muy thai and soem of everything, its still tkd cause he does still teach katas everyonce in a while and his students still do go to tournaments but his classes are amazing he teaches such good self defence(ex bouncer, bodyguard) that I am sure his students can handle themselves.

03-04-2003, 12:02 PM	#21 (permalink)
Typhoon Novice Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 66	Thats what I am saying its the way they teach it not the art it self. If you have a teacher that jsut teaches stuff for tournaments then you WILL get your ass beaten on the street. If its a class where they teach everythign how to punch to head, wrist locks, we even have some wrestling then you ll be able to handle your self

03-04-2003, 01:41 PM	#22 (permalink)
Bri Thai Guest Posts: n/a	Here we go with that flawed logic again. "My art is great" "No it is not" "Yes it is, because we train in Sombo, Jiu Jitsu, Muay Thai......" Thats just silly. It's like saying that drawing is better than painting, and we draw with paint brushes........

03-04-2003, 02:24 PM	#23 (permalink)
Typhoon Novice Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 66	I never said it waas the best, for me its great cause thats what I was looking for, for someone else it might turn them off completely to other martial arts. To him his own.

03-04-2003, 02:35 PM	#24 (permalink)
Bri Thai Guest Posts: n/a	Read the title of the thread. The things you're talking about are NOT fancy kicks and NOT TKD.

03-14-2003, 09:57 AM	#28 (permalink)
cyrijl Novice Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 19	there's a difference between a high kick and a fancy kick. There is a guy in my krav class that accidentally kicks people in (near) the throat. He is a little tall, but he is just so fast and flexible he does it. Now any move with the word 'flying' in it, i am a little skeptical of.

03-19-2003, 05:02 PM	#29 (permalink)
Rockets Novice Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 25	My observations in the Gracie academy is that people like the author get taken down hard when they try the high kick, get mounted, and then submitted or pounded. Pretty much 99% of the time.

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