Vunak Self defence - Page 2

Ketsugo Master · 01-31-2004, 12:50 PM

I have used pauls system many times in real life and have always come out on top of the stuation.

This is for real and I can tell you this for fact.

Joe

**Thai Bri** · 01-31-2004, 01:32 PM

Can you describe a typical fight youv'e had then?

bartjam · 02-04-2004, 01:59 PM

I watched some Vunak's tapes (except, unfortunately, "Street safe" and "R.A.T." which are told to be the best ones).
What I saw was not self-defense, but sparring against other fighters, jumping around a mat. The stuff (straight blast, heads/knees/elbows, kali destructions, trapping, dumog grappling) was very interesting. Vunak is fast and aggressive. But these techniques make sense to me only if you are able to perform them from a passive stance in a streetfight, along with pre-fight management.
Also, Kali "gunting" would fail against opponents who wear winter clothes.
But I'd like to watch R.A.T. demonstrations anyway.

kengar · 02-04-2004, 03:27 PM

Bri, I have just watched several of his video's and I challenge you to a 2 out of 3 death match.

Based on his videos I've seen, about 6 or 7. I think he has some sound concepts for self defense and training, though other material is too martsy-artsy.

Example: When you recongnize your attacker turning to do a spinning kick, intercept with a kick to the lower back. The technique would probably just be too hard in the middle of a fight for someone without years of fighting experience, but the concept is good as attacking your opponent when they make themself vulnerable.

He does like trapping, though he stated that in class they may work 10% punching and 90% trapping, but in a street fight you'll do 10% trapping and 90% punching. I guessing he works off the idea that since trapping is more complex and needed in a fight then that area needs to be worked more. I didn't care for some of the trapping and gunting. It seems there was some effort to do gunting or destruction when a strike to the face or throat would have been more economical.

Defang the Snake, liked that. There was some stick twirling around your head 3ft away from the opponent, I didn't care for that and to be fair I don't understand it.

I think I'd be set if I had the Street Safe and the Headbutt Knee & Elbows. Ithink he has a lot to offer and should be able to give something useful to everyone.

ken

**Thai Bri** · 02-05-2004, 06:11 AM

A two out of three death match? BWAHAHAHA!

**Thai Bri** · 02-05-2004, 06:11 AM

Thanks for the info. Confirms a lot of what I thought.

01-31-2004, 12:50 PM	#16 (permalink)
Ketsugo Master Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: IL Posts: 7 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Vanuk I have used pauls system many times in real life and have always come out on top of the stuation. This is for real and I can tell you this for fact. Joe

02-04-2004, 03:27 PM	#19 (permalink)
kengar Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ky. Posts: 422 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Bri, I have just watched several of his video's and I challenge you to a 2 out of 3 death match. Based on his videos I've seen, about 6 or 7. I think he has some sound concepts for self defense and training, though other material is too martsy-artsy. Example: When you recongnize your attacker turning to do a spinning kick, intercept with a kick to the lower back. The technique would probably just be too hard in the middle of a fight for someone without years of fighting experience, but the concept is good as attacking your opponent when they make themself vulnerable. He does like trapping, though he stated that in class they may work 10% punching and 90% trapping, but in a street fight you'll do 10% trapping and 90% punching. I guessing he works off the idea that since trapping is more complex and needed in a fight then that area needs to be worked more. I didn't care for some of the trapping and gunting. It seems there was some effort to do gunting or destruction when a strike to the face or throat would have been more economical. Defang the Snake, liked that. There was some stick twirling around your head 3ft away from the opponent, I didn't care for that and to be fair I don't understand it. I think I'd be set if I had the Street Safe and the Headbutt Knee & Elbows. Ithink he has a lot to offer and should be able to give something useful to everyone. ken __________________ Hummm.....

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01-31-2004, 01:32 PM	#17 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Can you describe a typical fight youv'e had then?

02-04-2004, 01:59 PM	#18 (permalink)
bartjam Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: italy Posts: 178 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I watched some Vunak's tapes (except, unfortunately, "Street safe" and "R.A.T." which are told to be the best ones). What I saw was not self-defense, but sparring against other fighters, jumping around a mat. The stuff (straight blast, heads/knees/elbows, kali destructions, trapping, dumog grappling) was very interesting. Vunak is fast and aggressive. But these techniques make sense to me only if you are able to perform them from a passive stance in a streetfight, along with pre-fight management. Also, Kali "gunting" would fail against opponents who wear winter clothes. But I'd like to watch R.A.T. demonstrations anyway.

02-05-2004, 06:11 AM	#20 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	A two out of three death match? BWAHAHAHA!

02-05-2004, 06:11 AM	#21 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the info. Confirms a lot of what I thought.

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