This is the best artical i've ever read.. YOU VS STREET FIGHTER or BOXER

[crazyjoe380]

This artical breaks down boxing..
i mean i know boxing and this artical taught me something!
this was the bomb..

you know if i like it ..
it will have no bulls.hit just straight to the point...




http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/kbox/kbox.html




my favorite shit was this..

fighting against a boxer or street fighter..


Where he talks about how if your fighting a boxer, he has tricks for your ass.. he might try to grab your shirt and pound you off.. i've seen it. a friend of mine fights like that...



PEEP THIS


My own experience is that stop hits are very difficult to use against a good boxer, since he's ready to walk into your first shot and land three of his own. They work great against traditional martial artists though (there are exceptions), and against untrained fighters who don't expect to get hit when they're hitting.

Stop kicking -- same story.

Now, hands up high, elbows in, and muay thai round kick -- sometimes a different story. He tries to nail you as/after you kick him, your hands are high and the punch deflects as you grab his neck, he's lunging forward off balance, you pull his head into a solid knee to the face. This works sometimes.

Boxers will generally not clinch in a streetfight. What a boxer *will* do is enter with a simple jab/slip/jab/cross to see what you will do, and as soon as you're in range he'll hold onto you with his lead hand as he tees off on you with his straight right. If you try to duck and shoot in on him, a good boxer with decent reflexes will tend to lower that lead hand of his and check your shoulder while he continues to tee off.

Or, he'll just stand there and wait for you to come in. As you come in, he'll nail you with his hook. Very effective.

This I've seen and done in my own experience, and they both work very well in a streetfight.

If a boxer gets ahold of the collar of your shirt with his lead hand, you won't be able to clinch or shoot, and you won't be able to back away either. You *will*, however, get nailed in the next second with three of the hardest straight rights you've ever felt. He just holds you there -- at range -- and keeps hitting you. It's very common to see a boxer do this in a streetfight -- and it works like a charm. Only recommended if you hit like a truck.

Forcing the clinch on a boxer is not always easy. A boxer with a strong attack will tend to force his opponent to back up. The opponent doesn't even want to back up, but he does, because in that moment it seems like there's nowhere else to go.

Also, I would listen to what John has to say on this, as the guy can fight.




WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS!! THIS IS A GREAT ARTICAL!

[Lost Ronin]

I tell you what man, I've got lots of Karate/Boxing/Muay Thai experience and I was VERY impressed with that article. Impressed as in I added the website to my favorites list and printed the article that you mentioned so I could study it in a more in-depth manner. Thanks for the link dude, I've got some new toys to play with! Again, thanks.

[dkm]

excellent article and the website is good too.

[platinum_angel]

nice link i think i'll keep it in my favorites for a while too

[crazyjoe380]

no problem guys..

your all welcome..





















*PETS CAT*

[noname]

A well skill martial artist/boxer/wrestler are a disadvantage in a streetfight compared to the average streetfighter.

A person who is dedicated with rely on that art of fighting to help them.

Boxing has no place in a street fight it envolves no kicking.

Martial Arts (ah yes my life): Most martial arts that people learn today are worthless they are a sport not a way of fighting. Martial arts in america mostly teach sports they don't teach battle and combat scenarios.

TKD: it has become a childs art
Judo: is a sport not a way of fighting

Wrestling: More suited for streetfighting than boxing because wrestling teaches alot of streetfighting based moves, but not effective enough to beat a skilled thug.


Sure these would stop a pettie thug but you'd be amazed who much figting talent a person from the streets has.

[crazyjoe380]

how many street fights have you been in? just wondering.. ^^^^

[noname]

.........
Life Total: somewhere between 30-40 those are actual street fight not including a guy throwing a fist and doging it

[darrianation]

I read a quote recently cant remember if it was here in the forums or some other ma site.

"sometimes you may get lucky in a street fight, but the more you train the luckier you'll be"

well this inst exactly the quote but you get the idea. Training is never a waist of time. Anyway I read the article awhile ago and i agree it is very good.

[dkm]

Originally posted by noname
.........
Life Total: somewhere between 30-40 those are actual street fight not including a guy throwing a fist and doging it

LOL. You need some Anger Management classes man.

[noname]

why
only about 15 of those I started the fight and most were of noble cause

Noble:
*guy is beating a girlfriend
*Jason breaks guys wrist and kneecap

*group of guys try to rape a girl
*Jason knocks a guys eye inward and tares another guys jaw

Un-Noble:
*guy throws up on shoes
*Jason hits with beer bottle

*Jason forgot his wallet
*Jason starts a bar fight to avoid paying

[dkm]

Noble causes are always good causes

[dzl256]

i thought we had already gone thru all this. shirt or no shirt if we look historically thru no holds barred tournaments boxers arent winning and if they do its because they have a lot of grappling experience to back them up. this was the basis for the entire "gracie revolution" the strikers were getting humiliated and still are, some might say that striking has made a comeback and THATS TRUE after they all spent 10 years grappling the deciding factor often comes down to dukeing it out. PLUS i always wonder about the assumption that the boxer will get a hold of the grappler the way he wants but the grappler wont..

[Lost Ronin]

Guys! I don't think crazy joe was trying to bash anybody's style. He was making a point though, if a good boxer made you fight his way, your ass is his. But if you notice, some of the methods that he is talking about are not boxing related, the methods are an amalgam of different disciplines. Boxing is not a complete system on it's own, but if its mixed with the proper styles, it can be friggin' awesome. I talk out of personal experience, Boxing is the foundation of my handstrikes. And although I agree with a lot of what noname said I have to disagree about a streetfighter having more skill than a martial artist. There is a big myth going around about " streetfighters". People think about that in awe, most of the time, it means that the guy fights dirty ( nothing wrong with that), he has very little to no training, and his "record"
consists of a bunch of drunks or guys just as skilled as him. I beat the living crap out of a "dangerous" streetfighter, how? First off, I train realistically, no forms. Second, I'm in pretty good shape. The first thing the moron did was come at me with gorilla punches, I shot in for his legs, took him down with a double leg and pounded his face for about two minutes. I tell this story for a reason, if it would have been a BJJ guy or a trained kickboxer he would have given me a better workout. Instead, he freaked, the common trade mark of an untrained person. " Streetfighters" are nothing more than guys that use thug like tactics and their natural attributes to beat you up. No more and no less.

[crazyjoe380]

coo..

noname.. i think a have double of the fights you have had.. but it doesn't matter.. cause you have the experiance..

i've fought gangsters, boxers, other thugs... bats, knives, bottles.. even been shot at a few times..

boxing is the foundation to me.. most people can't grapple lets face it. but grappling in los angeles is lethal cause of gangs, or people with him.. one on one yea.. but those cases are hard..


IN THE CLUB..

group..


in a show ...

group..

alot of you know my statis.. so .. no need to get into it again..

i've been in gang fights and man... you can't go on the ground cause you can get stabbed or get a bottle or pipe crackin on your head.. too may kicks and fists.. so i just try to incorp alot of methods depending on my situation..
i think boxing does have a place in the streets because i've seen then slung so well..
i've been in jail where if you go to the ground other inmates will stand you up again, or they will f.uck you up in you gouge eyes.. depending on who.. or what your fighting about ..
if it's with your own kind and it's for some type of political shit.. (jail poli-ticin..) then there is rules .. but again it depends on your lifestyle and situation..

me i have to know it all cause my situation verys..

get it? good..