Cool artical on Self Defense vs Martial Arts..

[crazyjoe380]

It’s never been a big surprise to me that many people claiming to be skilled martial artists have not often been effective fighters ....

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http://www.whitedragonfistarts.com/p...fensevsart.htm

[Rockets]

Great article. Accurate.

Also, some older martial artists (I'm speaking of the Karate "wing nuts") don't fight at all in real life and rely instead on aggresive legal tactics and their friends in law enforcement to punish their enemies. I think this is one good reason why the NHB event is so necessary. The clowns would never sign away their legal rights and enter the ring for fair combat.

[Szczepankiewicz]

I dont' really see how great, or accurate this article is.

but I waited patiently for the individual who overstepped the bounds of civility. An individual who I would sincerely try to council in the error of behaving overtly aggressive…only to have to show them, first hand, the error of their ways.

If ol' boy is a 'real bouncer' maybe he should have curbed this before it became physical.

He waited patiently for his chance to demonstrate his skills?

The art is the science and psychology of aggression

What?!?!

The author makes a few good points, but nothing that has not been discussed ad nauseum at Defend.net.

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NHB is necessary? I see we have a new generation of true believers on board.

Welcome!

And allow me to point out that No holds barred is a misnomer. If it were truly no holds barred there would be,....um.... NO HOLDS BARRED. Do you need me to point out the distinction?

MMA doesn't prove anything either. Kicking ass in a controlled environment is exactly that. Fighting in the ring will always be JUST fighting in the ring. It's great, I love to watch it and I support the hell out of it.

But it is a mistake to equate UFC et al with Self Defense, or even real fighting for that matter.

Fair combat?

Take a few weeks off and see what happens????

Spanky

[Rockets]

I agree that MMA is not without rules and that the MMA of today has far too many rules compared to the earlier events. However, daily MMA training under a competent instructor is an excellent way to gain necessary skills in each of the three major fighting scenarios. Namely: Standup, Takedowns, and Grappling.

I would also like to add that I have come across people in the past who think just because they won't hesitate to sneak attack, or use a weapon, train at night.. blah blah, etc.. they won't lose. They just assume it. Most of them have found out differently or ended in prison.

The funniest fight I ever saw was when this "Ninja" had a disagreement at a local college. The "Ninja" stopped arguing, looked cold at the MMA guy, then attempted to leave in a controlled quick way (probably to go get weapons or something) and the MMA guy just ran him down, seriously beat him, and then went to McDonald's for a Big Mac afterwards.

I really don't like seeing people get hurt unnecessarily as I don't want to get hurt unnecessarily, however, score one for MMA.

[Szczepankiewicz]

I agree:

Training in MMA is excellent in grappling, standup and takedowns.

However, training in MMA is NOT necessarily the same thing as training in self defense.

Most MMA trainees train for a one on one weaponless fight.

Now, MMA skills can transfer into a paradigm shift and be used effectively for fighting or self defense. But it will indeed take the different mindset and different styles of training to make them more effective.

[Rockets]

Hmmm... It is always possible that you know something I don't regarding this (ie risen to your level of awareness I'm not at yet regarding fighting). So, I will accept your position for now as maybe you have more experience than me.

However, I have to say that most of the "self-defense" seminars I have been to were not very good. Often one of my MMA friends was able to quickly takedown and submit the instructor while he tried his "blackjack" moves, etc.. Same for stick fighting instructors.. yup. They didn't stand there and take a beating, they closed the difference FAST and using their superior takedown, grappling skills ended it. Only the knife fighters won when the plastic knives and only then when the plastic knives were actually treated as real knives.

[Szczepankiewicz]

I hear you loud and clear. 95% of those who claim to teach self defense teach you just enough to get you killed.

The primary difference is psychological. If you have strong skills that serve you well (mma style skills) and you have the proper mindset/willingness/situational awareness then you are 100% right. or I should say I agree with you 100%.

You have strong striking, grappling (ground and standing), movement, and situational awareness then you should be able to take good care of yourself.

If you go into a possible life/death encounter figuring that all you have to do is perform a takedown and 'submit' someone you may be in for a very rude awakening.

I train in some semi-traditional Japanese Jujutsu, sport judo, and sport Gracie Jiu-jitsu*. In the Judo and GJJ I train to transition, outlast and submit/outscore my oponent.

In my JJJ I train to avoid or deescalate, then escape, then if I need to strike and grapple (standing and ground) to initiate more opportunities to escape.

Here is a VERY good article that explains my paradigm very well.

Austin Martial Arts

This will explain where I'm coming from.

Enjoy,

Spanky

* Just started my official GJJ here locally. I suppose you could call me a Kukuk White Belt???

[crazyjoe380]

its a good artical .. for verse opinions.. to start talks...

i'm mma to the heart! biaaaaaaaatch

[tooproud]

Cool!