The Ultimate in Martial Arts

Great Sage · 03-19-2003, 05:58 PM

One of my training partners was a professional boxer for 10 years and a kickboxer for the remainder of his martial arts career. We were having a discussion about kickboxing (traditional NOT Muay Thai) and we both agreed that it is close to nonexistent.

One of the truths of “old” kickboxing is this: Long ago, kickboxing was created when karate men decided that tournament fighting was too restrictive. Thus, kickboxing evolved from professional karate men who wanted to compete at a higher level. However, kickboxing became overrun by boxers who learned to kick and knocked out the karate guy with boxing skills. Such is the case with my partner, who knocked out his share of karate men.

Will there be a resurgence of American kickboxing, or is it a thing of the past?

Rockets · 03-19-2003, 06:09 PM

Oh it will always be around.

Whtown · 03-19-2003, 08:05 PM

if it stays around it will evolve or die, who is going to want to learn traditional kickboxing when the moves are outdated

Rockets · 03-19-2003, 08:11 PM

Yes of course it will evolve. I meant it would always be around in some form.

JaredExtreme · 03-20-2003, 06:00 PM

Well I saw some traditional kick boxing on espn2 a couple months ago. The match took place somewhere in New York I believe, an as a whole it was very boring. The kicks and punches were very weak compared to muay thai. With the increased popularity of MMA/K-1, I don't see demand for traditional kickboxing increasing.

Boromir · 03-20-2003, 06:07 PM

a footnote in history.. lol. I doubt it. Everything will probably melt together eventually.

Ryu (JKD?) · 03-24-2003, 10:22 AM

calling Muay Thai "non-traditional" kickboxing is really quite funny.

AznWarrior · 05-06-2005, 09:51 AM

lol. Muay Thai IS TRADITIONAL kickboxing, well not fully, but It was around alot longer.

Sensei Saki · 05-06-2005, 09:51 AM

I'm glad you find this amusing.I think Muay Thai is a lot of things.

AznWarrior · 05-06-2005, 09:53 AM

But it's basically kickboxing, I mean some differences, but their kinda the same thing, and it's been around waaaaaaaaaaay longer.

**Hardball** · 05-06-2005, 11:28 AM

A kick is just a kick, a punch is just a punch. "Bruce Lee" .. For self defense kickboxing is still good, to be a total warrior you have to know grappling and all other aspects of fighting including kicking, locking, takedowns, throws, strikes, weapons, evasion, and most of all strategy.

vadrip · 05-07-2005, 04:05 AM

In kickboxing, their boxing is generally better than in muay thai because they can sit on their punches like boxers do meaning they can go low and get that power from the ground up because they don't have to worry about low kicks, knees, clinches and elbows which are found in muay thai. Muay thai has to worry about these things so they punch while keeping in an upright stance while on the balls on their feet.

wardancer · 05-07-2005, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Great Sage

One of my training partners was a professional boxer for 10 years and a kickboxer for the remainder of his martial arts career. We were having a discussion about kickboxing (traditional NOT Muay Thai) and we both agreed that it is close to nonexistent.

One of the truths of “old” kickboxing is this: Long ago, kickboxing was created when karate men decided that tournament fighting was too restrictive. Thus, kickboxing evolved from professional karate men who wanted to compete at a higher level. However, kickboxing became overrun by boxers who learned to kick and knocked out the karate guy with boxing skills. Such is the case with my partner, who knocked out his share of karate men.

Will there be a resurgence of American kickboxing, or is it a thing of the past?

It is about who win the K1 at the moment?
mostly Muy Thai fighters win K1 even if the rules are different, they do come from all from differents nationalities.
I think american kickboxing fighters can do well in K1.
It is just a question of having some americans Kickboxers wanting to do well in K1!

THT · 05-07-2005, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by wardancer

It is about who win the K1 at the moment?
mostly Muy Thai fighters win K1 even if the rules are different, they do come from all from differents nationalities.
I think american kickboxing fighters can do well in K1.
It is just a question of having some americans Kickboxers wanting to do well in K1!

...and then getting used to being kicked in the legs. And being clinched. And kneed in the stomach or head.

I think their kicking may LOOK better but I'd say it's the same reason a TMA kick looks so good. It's because there is no worry of a cut kick or having the gap closed real quick and clinching or any other counter that Muay Thai would allow. BTW I personally think that a nice thai kick to the noggin looks at least as good as anything else kick-wise.

03-19-2003, 05:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
Great Sage Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Nowhere, USA... Posts: 510 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Is Kickboxing Dead? One of my training partners was a professional boxer for 10 years and a kickboxer for the remainder of his martial arts career. We were having a discussion about kickboxing (traditional NOT Muay Thai) and we both agreed that it is close to nonexistent. One of the truths of “old” kickboxing is this: Long ago, kickboxing was created when karate men decided that tournament fighting was too restrictive. Thus, kickboxing evolved from professional karate men who wanted to compete at a higher level. However, kickboxing became overrun by boxers who learned to kick and knocked out the karate guy with boxing skills. Such is the case with my partner, who knocked out his share of karate men. Will there be a resurgence of American kickboxing, or is it a thing of the past? __________________ The sage experiences without abstraction, And accomplishes without action; He accepts the ebb and flow of things, Nurtures them, but does not own them, And lives, but does not dwell.

03-20-2003, 06:00 PM	#5 (permalink)
JaredExtreme Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,115 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well I saw some traditional kick boxing on espn2 a couple months ago. The match took place somewhere in New York I believe, an as a whole it was very boring. The kicks and punches were very weak compared to muay thai. With the increased popularity of MMA/K-1, I don't see demand for traditional kickboxing increasing. __________________ "I don't fight in the street, there's no mats out there." - JaredExtreme

03-24-2003, 10:22 AM	#7 (permalink)
Ryu (JKD?) Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 623 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	calling Muay Thai "non-traditional" kickboxing is really quite funny. __________________ Sekkendo...

05-06-2005, 09:51 AM	#8 (permalink)
AznWarrior Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: North East Posts: 37 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	lol. Muay Thai IS TRADITIONAL kickboxing, well not fully, but It was around alot longer. __________________ "When in doubt, attack" - Gen. George Patton

05-06-2005, 09:53 AM	#10 (permalink)
AznWarrior Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: North East Posts: 37 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	But it's basically kickboxing, I mean some differences, but their kinda the same thing, and it's been around waaaaaaaaaaay longer. __________________ "When in doubt, attack" - Gen. George Patton

03-19-2003, 06:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
Rockets Novice Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 25 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Oh it will always be around.

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Whtown Novice Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 32 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	if it stays around it will evolve or die, who is going to want to learn traditional kickboxing when the moves are outdated

03-19-2003, 08:11 PM	#4 (permalink)
Rockets Novice Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 25 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes of course it will evolve. I meant it would always be around in some form.

03-20-2003, 06:07 PM	#6 (permalink)
Boromir Novice Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 4 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	a footnote in history.. lol. I doubt it. Everything will probably melt together eventually.

05-06-2005, 09:51 AM	#9 (permalink)
Sensei Saki "Endless Wisdom" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Cyberspace Posts: 781 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm glad you find this amusing.I think Muay Thai is a lot of things.

05-06-2005, 11:28 AM	#11 (permalink)
Hardball Premiere Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,791 Groans: 0 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	A kick is just a kick, a punch is just a punch. "Bruce Lee" .. For self defense kickboxing is still good, to be a total warrior you have to know grappling and all other aspects of fighting including kicking, locking, takedowns, throws, strikes, weapons, evasion, and most of all strategy. __________________ The Way of the Warrior is Practice. Daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day. {Book of 5 Rings} Calendar year 2009 Crunch Challenge. 39,800/73,000 Calendar Year 2008 Final Crunches 54,000

05-07-2005, 04:05 AM	#12 (permalink)
vadrip Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: VA Posts: 101 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	In kickboxing, their boxing is generally better than in muay thai because they can sit on their punches like boxers do meaning they can go low and get that power from the ground up because they don't have to worry about low kicks, knees, clinches and elbows which are found in muay thai. Muay thai has to worry about these things so they punch while keeping in an upright stance while on the balls on their feet.

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